https://theosophy.wiki/w-en/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Michael+Hazdra&feedformat=atomTheosophy Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T09:23:19ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.39.4https://theosophy.wiki/w-en/index.php?title=Talk:Triad&diff=24163Talk:Triad2013-04-08T03:07:14Z<p>Michael Hazdra: </p>
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<div>I would like to expand on the concept of triads.<br />
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There are two caveats when approaching these concerns. First, these are descriptions of abstract principles that are beyond any conceptualization. And second, these triads are also singularities. With this in mind, it is my contention that the Absolute is even further from our understanding than the pre-cosmic triad.<br />
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Hi Michael. Go ahead. You can always write something like: "Another view of the precosmic triad is the one given by T. Subba Row, and quoted by HPB in the SD: (and add the quiote)" Then, you may add some analysis of this if you want. If you do, we will have to make sure that the analysis doesn't introduce too many elements of which we cannot provide quotes. In this way we will keep the entries devoid of the personal view of any student. If a particular subject requires discussion with students giving their points of view, we can always add at the end a new section entitled "Discussion" and says things like "some students feel that this subject is better approached in this way because..., while others are of the opinion that....<br />
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Anyway, go ahead and edit the article as you wish, and then we will work it out together. PS<br />
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Pablo, I edited the article, but the notes got out of whack and I didn't know how to fix them. MH<br />
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== Pre-Cosmic Triad ==<br />
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I propose that another way (and possibly a more accurate way) to examine the pre-cosmic triad is that it consists of: Mulaprakriti, The Logos, and Daiviprakriti. <br />
<br />
<br />
SD I,1,2 XII The Theogony of the Creative Gods p.430 <br />
<br />
", according to Mr. Subba Row, as the first manifestation of Parabrahmam, “the highest trinity that we<br />
are capable of understanding,” which is Mulaprakriti (the veil), the Logos, and the conscious energy “of the latter,” or its power and light*; <br />
<br />
/* Called, in the Bhagavat-Gita, Daiviprakriti. "<br />
<br />
[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-2-12.htm]<br />
<br />
<br />
Apossible difficulty lies in the fact that HPB may not have always agreed with Subba Row in some of these concepts. <br />
<br />
[http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Subba_Row,_T.] see paragraph 6</div>Michael Hazdrahttps://theosophy.wiki/w-en/index.php?title=Triad&diff=14154Triad2013-04-08T03:05:09Z<p>Michael Hazdra: /* Pre-Cosmic triad */</p>
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<div>'''Triad''' is a word to refer to a group of three elements. In philosophy and religion, triads, triangles, and trinities are prominent. [[H. P. Blavatsky]] said: "Everywhere antiquity slows an unbounded reverence for the Triad and Triangle--the first geometrical figure."<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Theosophical Glossary'' (Krotona, CA: Theosophical Publishing House, 1973), 333.</ref><br />
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== Pre-Cosmic triad ==<br />
<br />
The first triad is formed by the Absolute and its two aspects, the Pre-cosmic Ideation and Substance:<br />
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<blockquote>Considering this metaphysical triad as the Root from which proceeds all manifestation, the great Breath assumes the character of precosmic Ideation. It is the fons et origo of force and of all individual consciousness, and supplies the guiding intelligence in the vast scheme of cosmic Evolution. On the other hand, precosmic root-substance (Mulaprakriti) is that aspect of the Absolute which underlies all the objective planes of Nature.<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Secret Doctrine'' vol. I, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 15.</ref></blockquote><br />
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Another way to examine the pre-cosmic triad is that it consists of: Mulaprakriti, The Logos, and Daiviprakriti. This is stated elsewhere in the Secret Doctrine and is slightly different from the description as quoted from the Proem above.<br />
<br />
SD I,1,2 XII The Theogony of the Creative Gods p.430<br />
", according to Mr. Subba Row, as the first manifestation of Parabrahmam, “the highest trinity that we are capable of understanding,” which is Mulaprakriti (the veil), the Logos, and the conscious energy “of the latter,” or its power and light*;<br />
<br />
/* Called, in the Bhagavat-Gita, Daiviprakriti. "<br />
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[[1]][http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-2-12.htm]<br />
<br />
A possible explanation for this difference lies in the fact that HPB may not have always agreed with Subba Row in some of these concepts.<br />
[[2]] [http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Subba_Row,_T.] see paragraph 6<br />
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== Cosmic triad ==<br />
<br />
This is frequently the trinities of different religions, as the [[Hinduism|Hindu]] [[Trimurti]], often presented in an anthropomorphic way.<br />
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The [[Logos#Third Logos|Third Logos]] is a [[Theosophy|Theosophical]] cosmic triad consisting of [[Cosmic Ideation]], [[Cosmic Substance]] and Cosmic Energy or [[Fohat]].<br />
<br />
== Human triad ==<br />
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The human Triad (sometimes called "higher triad" or "upper triad") is formed by the three higher [[principles]], [[Atma]], [[Buddhi]] and [[Manas]], the fruition of the latter assimilated by the first two after every terrestrial life.<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Secret Doctrine'' vol. I, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 237.</ref> In other occasions, [[H. P. Blavatsky]] says that the triad corresponds to "Âtmâ-Buddhi and the “Envelope” which reflects their light, the three in one", the "envelope" referring to the [[auric egg]].<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Theosophical Glossary'' (Krotona, CA: Theosophical Publishing House, 1973), 338.</ref> This is the perennial [[individuality]] that [[reincarnation|reincarnates]] in different [[personality|personalities]].<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
<br />
<references/><br />
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==Further reading==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Triad# Triad] at Theosopedia<br />
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[[Category:Theosophical concepts]]<br />
[[Category:Concepts in The Secret Doctrine]]</div>Michael Hazdrahttps://theosophy.wiki/w-en/index.php?title=Triad&diff=14153Triad2013-04-08T02:58:56Z<p>Michael Hazdra: /* Cosmic triad */</p>
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<div>'''Triad''' is a word to refer to a group of three elements. In philosophy and religion, triads, triangles, and trinities are prominent. [[H. P. Blavatsky]] said: "Everywhere antiquity slows an unbounded reverence for the Triad and Triangle--the first geometrical figure."<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Theosophical Glossary'' (Krotona, CA: Theosophical Publishing House, 1973), 333.</ref><br />
<br />
== Pre-Cosmic triad ==<br />
<br />
The first triad is formed by the Absolute and its two aspects, the Pre-cosmic Ideation and Substance:<br />
<br />
<blockquote>Considering this metaphysical triad as the Root from which proceeds all manifestation, the great Breath assumes the character of precosmic Ideation. It is the fons et origo of force and of all individual consciousness, and supplies the guiding intelligence in the vast scheme of cosmic Evolution. On the other hand, precosmic root-substance (Mulaprakriti) is that aspect of the Absolute which underlies all the objective planes of Nature.<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Secret Doctrine'' vol. I, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 15.</ref></blockquote><br />
<br />
== Cosmic triad ==<br />
<br />
This is frequently the trinities of different religions, as the [[Hinduism|Hindu]] [[Trimurti]], often presented in an anthropomorphic way.<br />
<br />
The [[Logos#Third Logos|Third Logos]] is a [[Theosophy|Theosophical]] cosmic triad consisting of [[Cosmic Ideation]], [[Cosmic Substance]] and Cosmic Energy or [[Fohat]].<br />
<br />
== Human triad ==<br />
<br />
The human Triad (sometimes called "higher triad" or "upper triad") is formed by the three higher [[principles]], [[Atma]], [[Buddhi]] and [[Manas]], the fruition of the latter assimilated by the first two after every terrestrial life.<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Secret Doctrine'' vol. I, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 237.</ref> In other occasions, [[H. P. Blavatsky]] says that the triad corresponds to "Âtmâ-Buddhi and the “Envelope” which reflects their light, the three in one", the "envelope" referring to the [[auric egg]].<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Theosophical Glossary'' (Krotona, CA: Theosophical Publishing House, 1973), 338.</ref> This is the perennial [[individuality]] that [[reincarnation|reincarnates]] in different [[personality|personalities]].<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
==Further reading==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Triad# Triad] at Theosopedia<br />
<br />
[[Category:Theosophical concepts]]<br />
[[Category:Concepts in The Secret Doctrine]]</div>Michael Hazdrahttps://theosophy.wiki/w-en/index.php?title=Triad&diff=14152Triad2013-04-08T02:56:37Z<p>Michael Hazdra: /* Cosmic triad */</p>
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<div>'''Triad''' is a word to refer to a group of three elements. In philosophy and religion, triads, triangles, and trinities are prominent. [[H. P. Blavatsky]] said: "Everywhere antiquity slows an unbounded reverence for the Triad and Triangle--the first geometrical figure."<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Theosophical Glossary'' (Krotona, CA: Theosophical Publishing House, 1973), 333.</ref><br />
<br />
== Pre-Cosmic triad ==<br />
<br />
The first triad is formed by the Absolute and its two aspects, the Pre-cosmic Ideation and Substance:<br />
<br />
<blockquote>Considering this metaphysical triad as the Root from which proceeds all manifestation, the great Breath assumes the character of precosmic Ideation. It is the fons et origo of force and of all individual consciousness, and supplies the guiding intelligence in the vast scheme of cosmic Evolution. On the other hand, precosmic root-substance (Mulaprakriti) is that aspect of the Absolute which underlies all the objective planes of Nature.<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Secret Doctrine'' vol. I, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 15.</ref></blockquote><br />
<br />
== Cosmic triad ==<br />
<br />
This is frequently the trinities of different religions, as the [[Hinduism|Hindu]] [[Trimurti]], often presented in an anthropomorphic way.<br />
<br />
The [[Logos#Third Logos|Third Logos]] is a [[Theosophy|Theosophical]] cosmic triad consisting of [[Cosmic Ideation]], [[Cosmic Substance]] and Cosmic Energy or [[Fohat]].<br />
<br />
<br />
Another way to examine the pre-cosmic triad is that it consists of: Mulaprakriti, The Logos, and Daiviprakriti. This is stated elsewhere in the Secret Doctrine and is slightly different from the description in the Proem.<br />
<br />
SD I,1,2 XII The Theogony of the Creative Gods p.430<br />
", according to Mr. Subba Row, as the first manifestation of Parabrahmam, “the highest trinity that we are capable of understanding,” which is Mulaprakriti (the veil), the Logos, and the conscious energy “of the latter,” or its power and light*;<br />
<br />
/* Called, in the Bhagavat-Gita, Daiviprakriti. "<br />
<br />
[[1]][http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-2-12.htm]<br />
<br />
A possible explanation for this difference lies in the fact that HPB may not have always agreed with Subba Row in some of these concepts.<br />
[[2]] [http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Subba_Row,_T.] see paragraph 6<br />
<br />
== Human triad ==<br />
<br />
The human Triad (sometimes called "higher triad" or "upper triad") is formed by the three higher [[principles]], [[Atma]], [[Buddhi]] and [[Manas]], the fruition of the latter assimilated by the first two after every terrestrial life.<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Secret Doctrine'' vol. I, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 237.</ref> In other occasions, [[H. P. Blavatsky]] says that the triad corresponds to "Âtmâ-Buddhi and the “Envelope” which reflects their light, the three in one", the "envelope" referring to the [[auric egg]].<ref>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, ''The Theosophical Glossary'' (Krotona, CA: Theosophical Publishing House, 1973), 338.</ref> This is the perennial [[individuality]] that [[reincarnation|reincarnates]] in different [[personality|personalities]].<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
==Further reading==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Triad# Triad] at Theosopedia<br />
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[[Category:Theosophical concepts]]<br />
[[Category:Concepts in The Secret Doctrine]]</div>Michael Hazdrahttps://theosophy.wiki/w-en/index.php?title=Daiviprakriti&diff=24167Daiviprakriti2013-02-15T03:51:23Z<p>Michael Hazdra: Pre-Cosmic Fohat</p>
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[[Category:Buddhist concepts]]</div>Michael Hazdrahttps://theosophy.wiki/w-en/index.php?title=Talk:Triad&diff=24160Talk:Triad2013-02-15T03:20:05Z<p>Michael Hazdra: Created page with "I would like to expand on the concept of triads. There are two caveats when approaching these concerns. First, these are descriptions of abstract principles that are beyond any ..."</p>
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<div>I would like to expand on the concept of triads.<br />
<br />
There are two caveats when approaching these concerns. First, these are descriptions of abstract principles that are beyond any conceptualization. And second, these triads are also singularities. With this in mind, it is my contention that the Absolute is even further from our understanding than the pre-cosmic triad.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Pre-Cosmic Triad ==<br />
<br />
I propose that another way (and possibly a more accurate way) to examine the pre-cosmic triad is that it consists of: Mulaprakriti, The Logos, and Daiviprakriti. <br />
<br />
<br />
SD I,1,2 XII The Theogony of the Creative Gods p.430 <br />
<br />
", according to Mr. Subba Row, as the first manifestation of Parabrahmam, “the highest trinity that we<br />
are capable of understanding,” which is Mulaprakriti (the veil), the Logos, and the conscious energy “of the latter,” or its power and light*; <br />
<br />
/* Called, in the Bhagavat-Gita, Daiviprakriti. "<br />
<br />
[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-2-12.htm]<br />
<br />
<br />
Apossible difficulty lies in the fact that HPB may not have always agreed with Subba Row in some of these concepts. <br />
<br />
[http://www.theosophy.ph/encyclo/index.php?title=Subba_Row,_T.] see paragraph 6</div>Michael Hazdra