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	[[G. de Purucker]] gives a different account of inner and outer Rounds. He says:		[[G. de Purucker]] gives a different account of inner and outer Rounds. He says:

	<blockquote>There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.		<blockquote>There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.<br>

	The outer round comprises the passage of the entirety of a life-wave of a planetary chain along the circulations of the solar system, from one of the seven sacred planets to another; and this for seven (or ten) times.<ref>[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/ocglos/og-qr.htm# Round] ''Occult Glossary'' by G. de Purucker</ref></blockquote>		The outer round comprises the passage of the entirety of a life-wave of a planetary chain along the circulations of the solar system, from one of the seven sacred planets to another; and this for seven (or ten) times.<ref>[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/ocglos/og-qr.htm# Round] ''Occult Glossary'' by G. de Purucker</ref></blockquote>

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	<blockquote>There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.		<blockquote>There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.
	~~<br>~~
	The outer round comprises the passage of the entirety of a life-wave of a planetary chain along the circulations of the solar system, from one of the seven sacred planets to another; and this for seven (or ten) times.<ref>[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/ocglos/og-qr.htm# Round] ''Occult Glossary'' by G. de Purucker</ref></blockquote>		The outer round comprises the passage of the entirety of a life-wave of a planetary chain along the circulations of the solar system, from one of the seven sacred planets to another; and this for seven (or ten) times.<ref>[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/ocglos/og-qr.htm# Round] ''Occult Glossary'' by G. de Purucker</ref></blockquote>

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	<blockquote>Individuals cannot outstrip the humanity of their round any further than by one remove, for it is mathematically impossible.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>Individuals cannot outstrip the humanity of their round any further than by one remove, for it is mathematically impossible.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186.</ref></blockquote>

	And then he seems to explain that ~~while~~ part of humanity may be evolving on [[Globe#Globe A\|Globe A]] while some other would be on the last globe, [[Globe#Globe G\|Z (or G)]]:		And then he seems to explain that part of humanity may be evolving on [[Globe#Globe A\|Globe A]] while some other would be on the last globe, [[Globe#Globe G\|Z (or G)]]:

	<blockquote>And now as man when completing his seventh ring upon A has but begun his first on Z and as A dies when he leaves it for B, etc., and as he must also remain in the inter-cyclic sphere after Z, as he has between every two planets, until the impulse again thrills the chain, clearly no one can be more than one round ahead of his kind. . . . We have fifth round men among us because we are in the latter half of our septenary earth ring. In the first half this could not have happened. The countless myriads of our fourth round humanity who have outrun us and completed their seven rings on Z, have had time to pass their inter-cyclic period begin their new round and work on to globe D (ours).<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186-187.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>And now as man when completing his seventh ring upon A has but begun his first on Z and as A dies when he leaves it for B, etc., and as he must also remain in the inter-cyclic sphere after Z, as he has between every two planets, until the impulse again thrills the chain, clearly no one can be more than one round ahead of his kind. . . . We have fifth round men among us because we are in the latter half of our septenary earth ring. In the first half this could not have happened. The countless myriads of our fourth round humanity who have outrun us and completed their seven rings on Z, have had time to pass their inter-cyclic period begin their new round and work on to globe D (ours).<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186-187.</ref></blockquote>

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	<blockquote>We have fifth round men among us because we are in the latter half of our septenary earth ring. In the first half this could not have happened.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 187.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>We have fifth round men among us because we are in the latter half of our septenary earth ring. In the first half this could not have happened.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 187.</ref></blockquote>

	~~While~~ Master M. said the fifth round has not started yet, Master K. H. seems to mean that there are men who have actually gone through all the globes in this Round and started the fifth one. This is puzzling, since the normal idea is that when a Globe is in [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscuration]] it is dead, and therefore it could not support life.		In another letter there is mention to "fifth round men" evolving in a globe previous to the earth, besides the ones that are already here:

			<blockquote>The “obscuration” comes on only when the last man of whatever Round has passed into the sphere of effects. Nature is too well, too mathematically adjusted to cause mistakes to happen in the exercise of her functions. The obscuration of the planet on which are now evoluting the races of the fifth Round men — will, of course “be behind the few avant couriers” who are now here.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 70-C (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 215.</ref></blockquote>

			Thus, while Master M. said the fifth round has not started yet, Master K.H. seems to mean that there are men who have actually gone through all the globes in this Round and started the fifth one. This is puzzling, since the normal idea is that when a Globe is in [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscuration]] it is dead, and therefore it could not support life.

	This contradiction was first pointed out by Mr. Hume in an article he published in ''The Theosophist'' June 1883 (p. 231) entitled "Cosmical Rings and Rounds". The [[chela]] [[S. T. Krishnama Charya\|S. T. K***Chary]], who was asked to throw some light on this matter, wrote a note following Hume's article stating:		This contradiction was first pointed out by Mr. Hume in an article he published in ''The Theosophist'' June 1883 (p. 231) entitled "Cosmical Rings and Rounds". The [[chela]] [[S. T. Krishnama Charya\|S. T. K***Chary]], who was asked to throw some light on this matter, wrote a note following Hume's article stating:

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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
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			[[Category:Theosophical concepts]]

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	[[G. de Purucker]] gives a different account of inner and outer Rounds. He says:		[[G. de Purucker]] gives a different account of inner and outer Rounds. He says:

	There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.		<blockquote>There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.
	<br>		<br>
	The outer round comprises the passage of the entirety of a life-wave of a planetary chain along the circulations of the solar system, from one of the seven sacred planets to another; and this for seven (or ten) times.		The outer round comprises the passage of the entirety of a life-wave of a planetary chain along the circulations of the solar system, from one of the seven sacred planets to another; and this for seven (or ten) times.<ref>[http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/ocglos/og-qr.htm# Round] ''Occult Glossary'' by G. de Purucker</ref></blockquote>

	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	<references/>		<references/>

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	~~'''[UNDER CONSTRUCTION]'''~~

	~~'''[UNDER CONSTRUCTION]'''~~
	== General description ==		== General description ==

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	== According to A. P. Sinnett ==		== According to A. P. Sinnett ==

	In a later edition of his book [[Esoteric Buddhism (book)\|''Esoteric Buddhism'']], [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]] refers to the criticism published by [[Allan Octavian Hume\|A. O. Hume]]:		In a later edition of his book [[Esoteric Buddhism (book)\|''Esoteric Buddhism'']], [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]] refers to the criticism published by [[Allan Octavian Hume\|A. O. Hume]] in his article "Cosmical Rings and Rounds" (see above). He wrote:

	<blockquote>The description I have given of the progress of the human tide-wave is quite coherent as it stands, but since the publication of the original edition of this book some criticism was directed, in India, to a comparison between my version of the story and certain passages in other writings, known to emanate from a Mahatma. A discrepancy between the two statements was pointed out, the other version assuming the possibility that a monad actually might have travelled round the seven planets once more often than the compeers among whom he might ultimately find himself on this earth. My account of the obscurations appears to render this contingency impossible. The clue to the mystery appears to lie outside the domain of those facts concerning which the adepts are willing to speak freely; and the reader must clearly understand that the explanation I am about to offer is the fruit of my own speculation and comparison of different parts of the doctrine — not authentic information received from the author of my general teaching.<ref>Alfred Percy Sinnett, ''Esoteric Buddhism'' (San Diego: Wizards Bookshelf, 1987), 145-146.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>The description I have given of the progress of the human tide-wave is quite coherent as it stands, but since the publication of the original edition of this book some criticism was directed, in India, to a comparison between my version of the story and certain passages in other writings, known to emanate from a Mahatma. A discrepancy between the two statements was pointed out, the other version assuming the possibility that a monad actually might have travelled round the seven planets once more often than the compeers among whom he might ultimately find himself on this earth. My account of the obscurations appears to render this contingency impossible. The clue to the mystery appears to lie outside the domain of those facts concerning which the adepts are willing to speak freely; and the reader must clearly understand that the explanation I am about to offer is the fruit of my own speculation and comparison of different parts of the doctrine — not authentic information received from the author of my general teaching.<ref>Alfred Percy Sinnett, ''Esoteric Buddhism'' (San Diego: Wizards Bookshelf, 1987), 145-146.</ref></blockquote>
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	<blockquote>The great bulk of humanity is driven on from one planet to the next by the great cyclic impulse when its time comes for such a transition, but the planet it quits is not utterly denuded of humanity, nor is it, in every region of its surface rendered, by the physical and climatic changes that come on, unfit to be the habitation of human beings. Even during obscuration a small colony of humanity clings to each planet, and the monads associated with these small colonies following different laws of evolution, and beyond the reach of those attractions which govern the main vortex of humanity in the planet occupied by the great tide-wave, pass on from world to world along what may be called the inner round of evolution, far ahead of the race at large. What may be the circumstances which occasionally project a soul even from the midst of the great human vortex, right out of the attraction of the planet occupied by the tide wave, and into the attraction of the Inner Round - is a question that can only be a subject for us at present of very uncertain conjecture.<ref>Alfred Percy Sinnett, ''Esoteric Buddhism'' (San Diego: Wizards Bookshelf, 1987), 146-147.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>The great bulk of humanity is driven on from one planet to the next by the great cyclic impulse when its time comes for such a transition, but the planet it quits is not utterly denuded of humanity, nor is it, in every region of its surface rendered, by the physical and climatic changes that come on, unfit to be the habitation of human beings. Even during obscuration a small colony of humanity clings to each planet, and the monads associated with these small colonies following different laws of evolution, and beyond the reach of those attractions which govern the main vortex of humanity in the planet occupied by the great tide-wave, pass on from world to world along what may be called the inner round of evolution, far ahead of the race at large. What may be the circumstances which occasionally project a soul even from the midst of the great human vortex, right out of the attraction of the planet occupied by the tide wave, and into the attraction of the Inner Round - is a question that can only be a subject for us at present of very uncertain conjecture.<ref>Alfred Percy Sinnett, ''Esoteric Buddhism'' (San Diego: Wizards Bookshelf, 1987), 146-147.</ref></blockquote>

	== According to C. W. Leadbeater ==		== According to Besant and Leadbeater ==

			In their teachings, [[Annie Besant]] and [[Charles Webster Leadbeater\|C. W. Leadbeater]] maintained that even though a [[Globe]] may be in "[[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscuration]]", it still bears some forms of life. This is what makes possible the existence of an inner round:

			<blockquote>A globe "passes into obscuration" when the attention of the [[Logos\|LOGOS]] is turned away from it, and thus His Light is withdrawn. It passes into a kind of coma, and there is a residuum of living creatures left behind; these creatures do not seem to increase in number during this period.<ref>Annie Besant and Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''Man: Whence, How and Whither'', (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1984), 95.</ref></blockquote>

	[[C. W. Leadbeater~~]] says~~:		<blockquote>Thus, although the attention of the Planetary LOGOS is now fixed upon our earth, there are yet representatives of all the [[Kingdoms of Life\|kingdoms]] simultaneously existing upon every one of the six other globes of our [[Planetary Chain\|chain]]. These are often described as the seed from which the forms will develope when the [[Life-Wave\|life-wave]] reaches the planet--that is to say, when the special attention of the Planetary LOGOS is turned to it once more.<ref>Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''The Inner Life'' vol. II, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Press, 1942), 206.</ref></blockquote>

	In the inner round the ego runs on ahead of the life-wave, and by making an extra journey round the globes raises himself one class higher.		The fact that there are some forms left in each Globe allows it to become "a field for the Inner Round, a place to which [[ego]]s in a transition state can be transferred for special treatment in order to quicken their [[evolution]]".<ref>Annie Besant and Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''Man: Whence, How and Whither'', (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1984), 95.</ref> During the inner round, "the ego runs on ahead of the life-wave, and by making an extra journey round the globes raises himself one class higher".<ref>Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''The Inner Life'' vol. II, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Press, 1942), 233.</ref>

	~~A globe "passes into obscuration" when the attention of the LOGOS is turned away from it, and thus His Light is withdrawn~~. ~~It passes into a kind of coma, and there is a residuum of living creatures left behind; these creatures do not seem to increase in number during this period~~. ~~But while the Races die out, the egos inhabiting them having passed on, the globe becomes a field for~~ the ~~Inner Round, a place to which egos in a transition state can be transferred for special treatment~~ in ~~order to quicken their evolution. The globe to which the attention of the LOGOS is turned starts into active life, and receives the streams of egos ready to go forward on their journey.~~		[[C. W. Leadbeater]] explains the process in detail as follows:

			<blockquote>Under certain conditions of strong desire for advancement, if he is seen to be striving with exceptional vigour to improve himself, he may be separated from the great masses of his fellows on this planet, and passed by the authorities into what is called the Inner Round, and may take his next incarnation among the limited population of Mercury [Globe E]. In that case he will spend there about the same time that he would otherwise have devoted to incarnations in one root-race, and will then pass on to the astral planet F. After a similar stay there he will be transferred to globes G, A and B successively, and then to Mars [Globe C] and to the Earth.<ref>Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''The Inner Life'' vol. II, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Press, 1942), 207.</ref></blockquote>

	The seven life-waves which ensoul our seven kingdoms have always for their principal field of action the planet to which the attention of the LOGOS is for the moment directed; but a certain small proportion of their action is always manifesting in the other worlds of the chain also. Thus, although the attention of the Planetary LOGOS is now fixed upon our earth, there are yet representatives of all the kingdoms simultaneously existing upon every one of the six other globes of our chain. These are often described as the seed from which the forms will develope when the life-wave reaches the planet-- that is to say, when the special attention of the Planetary LOGOS is turned to it once more.		<blockquote>As in each of these spheres he will have made a stay about equivalent to the normal period of a root-race, the life-wave will have left the Earth before his return, but he will overtake it upon the planet Mercury, and will then join the ranks of the first-class monads and share the remainder of their evolution and their varied opportunities of more rapid development. Entities engaged upon this special line of evolution form the majority of the small population of Mercury and Mars at the present time. In the latter planet there is also a certain residuum of primitive mankind which was unprepared to pass on when the life-wave left for the Earth--a race which represents a stage of humanity lower than any at present existing within our cognisance. It will probably be extinct long before we reach Mars in the fifth round, since there appear to be no other egos needing manifestation at that level for the moment.<ref>Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''The Inner Life'' vol. II, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Press, 1942), 207-208.</ref></blockquote>
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	These forms have remained in existence upon their respective planets ever since they were first filled by the lunar animal-men in the first round, and in this way the trouble of what might be called fresh creation for each globe in each round is avoided. The life ensouling these forms during the comparative obscuration of those planets is still part of the great wave, and is still moving onward in connection with it. It serves other functions besides that of providing the seed for the incoming wave, since it is also employed as a means of more rapid evolution for certain classes of monads.
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	It is by the special treatment thus given that it is possible for the second-class monad to overtake the first class and become one of its members. Under certain conditions of strong desire for advancement, if he is seen to be striving with exceptional vigour to improve himself, he may be separated from the great masses of his fellows on this planet, and passed by the authorities into what is called the Inner Round, and may take his next incarnation among the limited population of Mercury. In that case he will spend there about the same time that he would otherwise have devoted to incarnations in one root-race, and will then pass on to the astral planet F. After a similar stay there he will be transferred to globes G, A and B successively, and then to Mars and to the Earth.
	~~<br>~~
	As in each of these spheres he will have made a stay about equivalent to the normal period of a root-race, the life-wave will have left the Earth before his return, but he will overtake it upon the planet Mercury, and will then join the ranks of the first-class monads and share the remainder of their evolution and their varied opportunities of more rapid development. Entities engaged upon this special line of evolution form the majority of the small population of Mercury and Mars at the present time. In the latter planet there is also a certain residuum of primitive mankind which was unprepared to pass on when the life-wave left for the Earth-- a race which represents a stage of humanity lower than any at present existing within our cognisance. It will probably be extinct long before we reach Mars in the fifth round, since there appear to be no other egos needing manifestation at that level for the moment.<ref>Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''The Inner Life'' vol. II, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Press, 1942), ~~206~~-208.</ref>

	== According to G. de Purucker ==		== According to G. de Purucker ==

	G. de Purucker gives a different account of inner and outer Rounds. He says:		[[G. de Purucker]] gives a different account of inner and outer Rounds. He says:

	There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.		There are outer rounds and inner rounds. An inner round comprises the passage of the life-wave in any one planetary chain from globe A to globe G once around, and this takes place seven times in a planetary manvantara.

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	It is by the special treatment thus given that it is possible for the second-class monad to overtake the first class and become one of its members. Under certain conditions of strong desire for advancement, if he is seen to be striving with exceptional vigour to improve himself, he may be separated from the great masses of his fellows on this planet, and passed by the authorities into what is called the Inner Round, and may take his next incarnation among the limited population of Mercury. In that case he will spend there about the same time that he would otherwise have devoted to incarnations in one root-race, and will then pass on to the astral planet F. After a similar stay there he will be transferred to globes G, A and B successively, and then to Mars and to the Earth.		It is by the special treatment thus given that it is possible for the second-class monad to overtake the first class and become one of its members. Under certain conditions of strong desire for advancement, if he is seen to be striving with exceptional vigour to improve himself, he may be separated from the great masses of his fellows on this planet, and passed by the authorities into what is called the Inner Round, and may take his next incarnation among the limited population of Mercury. In that case he will spend there about the same time that he would otherwise have devoted to incarnations in one root-race, and will then pass on to the astral planet F. After a similar stay there he will be transferred to globes G, A and B successively, and then to Mars and to the Earth.
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	As in each of these spheres he will have made a stay about equivalent to the normal period of a root-race, the life-wave will have left the Earth before his return, but he will overtake it upon the planet Mercury, and will then join the ranks of the first-class monads and share the remainder of their evolution and their varied opportunities of more rapid development. Entities engaged upon this special line of evolution form the majority of the small population of Mercury and Mars at the present time. In the latter planet there is also a certain residuum of primitive mankind which was unprepared to pass on when the life-wave left for the Earth-- a race which represents a stage of humanity lower than any at present existing within our cognisance. It will probably be extinct long before we reach Mars in the fifth round, since there appear to be no other egos needing manifestation at that level for the moment.		As in each of these spheres he will have made a stay about equivalent to the normal period of a root-race, the life-wave will have left the Earth before his return, but he will overtake it upon the planet Mercury, and will then join the ranks of the first-class monads and share the remainder of their evolution and their varied opportunities of more rapid development. Entities engaged upon this special line of evolution form the majority of the small population of Mercury and Mars at the present time. In the latter planet there is also a certain residuum of primitive mankind which was unprepared to pass on when the life-wave left for the Earth-- a race which represents a stage of humanity lower than any at present existing within our cognisance. It will probably be extinct long before we reach Mars in the fifth round, since there appear to be no other egos needing manifestation at that level for the moment.<ref>Charles Webster Leadbeater, ''The Inner Life'' vol. II, (Wheaton, IL: Theosophical Press, 1942), 206-208.</ref>

	== According to G. de Purucker ==		== According to G. de Purucker ==

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	While Master M. said the fifth round has not started yet, Master K. H. seems to mean that there are men who have actually gone through all the globes in this Round and started the fifth one. This is puzzling, since the normal idea is that when a Globe is in [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscuration]] it is dead, and therefore it could not support life.		While Master M. said the fifth round has not started yet, Master K. H. seems to mean that there are men who have actually gone through all the globes in this Round and started the fifth one. This is puzzling, since the normal idea is that when a Globe is in [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscuration]] it is dead, and therefore it could not support life.

	~~In reference to these questions, Master K~~.~~H. writes to [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]]:~~		This contradiction was first pointed out by Mr. Hume in an article he published in ''The Theosophist'' June 1883 (p. 231) entitled "Cosmical Rings and Rounds". The [[chela]] [[S. T. Krishnama Charya\|S. T. K***Chary]], who was asked to throw some light on this matter, wrote a note following Hume's article stating:

	~~<blockquote>Neither [[Morya\|M.]] nor I have contradicted each other~~ in our respective statements. He was speaking of the inner — I, of the outer Round. There are many things that you have not learned but may some day; nor will you be able to ever comprehend the process of the [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscurations]] until you have mastered the mathematical progress of the inner and the outer Rounds and learned more about the specific difference between the seven.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The ~~Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence~~'' No. ~~113 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993~~)~~, 390~~.~~</ref></blockquote>~~

	~~In an article written by the~~ [[chela]] [[S. T. Krishnama Charya\|S. T. K***Chary]], who was asked to throw some light on this matter, ~~he stated~~:

	<blockquote>Neither theory contains the ''whole truth'' about the esoteric doctrine in question. It is certainly much more complicated in its details than is generally supposed.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>Neither theory contains the ''whole truth'' about the esoteric doctrine in question. It is certainly much more complicated in its details than is generally supposed.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232.</ref></blockquote>
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	<blockquote>A Planet may be said to be in a state of [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|Obscuration]] when a small portion of it is inhabited.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232. </ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>A Planet may be said to be in a state of [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|Obscuration]] when a small portion of it is inhabited.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232. </ref></blockquote>

			Finally, Master K.H. refers to these questions in a letter to [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]]:

			<blockquote>Neither [[Morya\|M.]] nor I have contradicted each other in our respective statements. He was speaking of the inner — I, of the outer Round. There are many things that you have not learned but may some day; nor will you be able to ever comprehend the process of the [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscurations]] until you have mastered the mathematical progress of the inner and the outer Rounds and learned more about the specific difference between the seven.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 113 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 390.</ref></blockquote>

	== According to A. P. Sinnett ==		== According to A. P. Sinnett ==

			In a later edition of his book [[Esoteric Buddhism (book)\|''Esoteric Buddhism'']], [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]] refers to the criticism published by [[Allan Octavian Hume\|A. O. Hume]]:

			<blockquote>The description I have given of the progress of the human tide-wave is quite coherent as it stands, but since the publication of the original edition of this book some criticism was directed, in India, to a comparison between my version of the story and certain passages in other writings, known to emanate from a Mahatma. A discrepancy between the two statements was pointed out, the other version assuming the possibility that a monad actually might have travelled round the seven planets once more often than the compeers among whom he might ultimately find himself on this earth. My account of the obscurations appears to render this contingency impossible. The clue to the mystery appears to lie outside the domain of those facts concerning which the adepts are willing to speak freely; and the reader must clearly understand that the explanation I am about to offer is the fruit of my own speculation and comparison of different parts of the doctrine — not authentic information received from the author of my general teaching.<ref>Alfred Percy Sinnett, ''Esoteric Buddhism'' (San Diego: Wizards Bookshelf, 1987), 145-146.</ref></blockquote>

			And, then, follows his explanation:

	The great bulk of humanity is driven on from one planet to the next by the great cyclic impulse when its time comes for such a transition, but the planet it quits is not utterly denuded of humanity, nor is it, in every region of its surface rendered, by the physical and climatic changes that come on, unfit to be the habitation of human beings. Even during obscuration a small colony of humanity clings to each planet, and the monads associated with these small colonies following different laws of evolution, and beyond the reach of those attractions which govern the main vortex of humanity in the planet occupied by the great tide-wave, pass on from world to world along what may be called the inner round of evolution, far ahead of the race at large. What may be the circumstances which occasionally project a soul even from the midst of the great human vortex, right out of the attraction of the planet occupied by the tide wave, and into the attraction of the Inner Round - is a question that can only be a subject for us at present of very uncertain conjecture.		<blockquote>The great bulk of humanity is driven on from one planet to the next by the great cyclic impulse when its time comes for such a transition, but the planet it quits is not utterly denuded of humanity, nor is it, in every region of its surface rendered, by the physical and climatic changes that come on, unfit to be the habitation of human beings. Even during obscuration a small colony of humanity clings to each planet, and the monads associated with these small colonies following different laws of evolution, and beyond the reach of those attractions which govern the main vortex of humanity in the planet occupied by the great tide-wave, pass on from world to world along what may be called the inner round of evolution, far ahead of the race at large. What may be the circumstances which occasionally project a soul even from the midst of the great human vortex, right out of the attraction of the planet occupied by the tide wave, and into the attraction of the Inner Round - is a question that can only be a subject for us at present of very uncertain conjecture.<ref>Alfred Percy Sinnett, ''Esoteric Buddhism'' (San Diego: Wizards Bookshelf, 1987), 146-147.</ref></blockquote>

	== According to C. W. Leadbeater ==		== According to C. W. Leadbeater ==

	[[C. W. Leadbeater]] ~~seems to agree with the explanation given by [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]]. CWL~~ says:		[[C. W. Leadbeater]] says:

	In the inner round the ego runs on ahead of the life-wave, and by making an extra journey round the globes raises himself one class higher.		In the inner round the ego runs on ahead of the life-wave, and by making an extra journey round the globes raises himself one class higher.

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	In one of his letters to [[Allan Octavian Hume\|A. O. Hume]], [[Morya\|Master M.]] describes the concept of [[Round]]s in the way it is generally understood, that is, humanity evolving in one globe, then passing on to the next globe, and when the evolution through all seven globes is over, that round is finished. Humanity is currently on its fourth Round, the fifth having not started yet.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 44 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 123.</ref>		In one of his letters to [[Allan Octavian Hume\|A. O. Hume]], [[Morya\|Master M.]] describes the concept of [[Round]]s in the way it is generally understood, that is, humanity evolving in one [[globe]], then passing on to the next globe, and when the [[evolution]] through all seven globes is over, that round is finished. Humanity is currently on its fourth Round, the fifth having not started yet.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 44 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 123.</ref>

	However, in another letter ~~to Mr. Hume~~, [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]] refers to the following comment by Hume:		However, in another letter, [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]] refers to the following comment by Hume:

	<blockquote>You say (in effect): if the fountain of life flows ceaselessly there should be men of all rounds on the earth at all times, etc.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>You say (in effect): if the fountain of life flows ceaselessly there should be men of all rounds on the earth at all times, etc.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186.</ref></blockquote>

	To this, he answers:		To this, the [[Masters of Wisdom\|Master]] answers:

	<blockquote>Individuals cannot outstrip the humanity of their round any further than by one remove, for it is mathematically impossible.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>Individuals cannot outstrip the humanity of their round any further than by one remove, for it is mathematically impossible.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186.</ref></blockquote>

	And then he seems to explain that part of humanity may be on Globe A while some other would be on the last globe, Z (or G):		And then he seems to explain that while part of humanity may be evolving on [[Globe#Globe A\|Globe A]] while some other would be on the last globe, [[Globe#Globe G\|Z (or G)]]:

	<blockquote>And now as man when completing his seventh ring upon A has but begun his first on Z and as A dies when he leaves it for B, etc., and as he must also remain in the inter-cyclic sphere after Z, as he has between every two planets, until the impulse again thrills the chain, clearly no one can be more than one round ahead of his kind. . . . We have fifth round men among us because we are in the latter half of our septenary earth ring. In the first half this could not have happened. The countless myriads of our fourth round humanity who have outrun us and completed their seven rings on Z, have had time to pass their inter-cyclic period begin their new round and work on to globe D (ours).<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186-187.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>And now as man when completing his seventh ring upon A has but begun his first on Z and as A dies when he leaves it for B, etc., and as he must also remain in the inter-cyclic sphere after Z, as he has between every two planets, until the impulse again thrills the chain, clearly no one can be more than one round ahead of his kind. . . . We have fifth round men among us because we are in the latter half of our septenary earth ring. In the first half this could not have happened. The countless myriads of our fourth round humanity who have outrun us and completed their seven rings on Z, have had time to pass their inter-cyclic period begin their new round and work on to globe D (ours).<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 67 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 186-187.</ref></blockquote>
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	In reference to these questions, Master K.H. writes to [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]]:		In reference to these questions, Master K.H. writes to [[Alfred Percy Sinnett\|A. P. Sinnett]]:

	<blockquote>Neither [[Morya\|M.]] nor I have contradicted each other in our respective statements. He was speaking of the inner — I, of the outer Round. There are many things that you have not learned but may some day; nor will you be able to ever comprehend the process of the [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscurations]] until you have mastered the mathematical progress of the inner and the outer Rounds and learned more about the specific difference between the seven.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 113 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), ~~???~~.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>Neither [[Morya\|M.]] nor I have contradicted each other in our respective statements. He was speaking of the inner — I, of the outer Round. There are many things that you have not learned but may some day; nor will you be able to ever comprehend the process of the [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|obscurations]] until you have mastered the mathematical progress of the inner and the outer Rounds and learned more about the specific difference between the seven.<ref>Vicente Hao Chin, Jr., ''The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett in chronological sequence'' No. 113 (Quezon City: Theosophical Publishing House, 1993), 390.</ref></blockquote>

	In an article written by the [[chela]] [[S. T. Krishnama Charya\|S. T. K***Chary]], who was asked to throw some light on this matter, he stated:		In an article written by the [[chela]] [[S. T. Krishnama Charya\|S. T. K***Chary]], who was asked to throw some light on this matter, he stated:

	<blockquote>"Neither theory contains the ''whole truth'' about the esoteric doctrine in question. It is certainly much more complicated in its details than is generally supposed.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>Neither theory contains the ''whole truth'' about the esoteric doctrine in question. It is certainly much more complicated in its details than is generally supposed.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232.</ref></blockquote>

	And added a final hint:		And added a final hint:

	<blockquote>A Planet may be said to be in a state of [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|Obscuration]] when a small portion ~~of it~~ of it is inhabited.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232. </ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>A Planet may be said to be in a state of [[Pralaya#Obscuration\|Obscuration]] when a small portion of it is inhabited.<ref>S. T. K***Chary, [Note to] "Cosmical Rings and Rounds", The Theosophist 4:9 (June, 1883), 232. </ref></blockquote>

	== According to A. P. Sinnett ==		== According to A. P. Sinnett ==