Mahatma Letter No. 117 - Revision history

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	This is '''Letter No. 117''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 93''' in '''Barker numbering.''' An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Some intervening letters may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix Venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]]. This letter was mentioned by [[Samuel Ward]] in a letter dated [[Mahatma_Letter_of_Ward_to/from_KH_-_1883-12-14\|December 14, 1883]].		This is '''Letter No. 117''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 93''' in '''Barker numbering.''' An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Some intervening letters may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix Venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]]. This letter was mentioned by [[Samuel Ward]] in a letter dated [[Mahatma_Letter_of_Ward_to/from_KH_-_1883-12-14\|December 14, 1883]].

	'''SEE ALSO NOTES IN LINTON'S ML INDEX BOOK.'''<ref>This is George Linton's copy of ''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' with marginal notations identifying the blocks of text in each of the slides. Located in Theosophical Society in America Archives, along with the slides.</ref>
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	'''[NOTE: Underlining is in red ~~in the original, but could not be reproduced here~~.]'''		'''NOTE: Underlining is in red ink.'''

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	. . . Phenomenal elements previously unthought of, . . . will disclose at last the secrets of their mysterious workings. [[Plato]] was right <u>to readmit every element of speculation which Socrates had discarded. The problems of universal being are not unattainable or worthless if attained. But the latter can be solved only by mastering those elements that are now looming on the horizons of the profane. Even the [[Spiritualism\|Spirit[ualis]ts.]] with their mistaken, grotesquely perverted views and notions are hazily realizing the new situation. They prophesy and their prophecies are not always without a point of truth in them, of intuitional pre-vision, so to say. Hear some of them reasserting the old, old axiom that</u> "Ideas rule the world"; and as men's minds receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete the world (<u>will</u>) advance; mighty revolutions (<u>will</u>) spring from them; institutions (<u>aye, and even creeds and powers, they may add</u>) — WILL crumble before their onward march crushed by their own <u>inherent force not the</u> irresistible force <u>of the "new ideas" offered by the Spiritualists! Yes; they are both right and wrong.</u> It will be just as impossible to resist their influence when the time comes as to stay the progress of the tide, — <u>to be sure. But what the Spiritualists fail to perceive, I see, and their [[Mediumship#Spirit_guides\|"Spirits"]] to explain (the latter knowing no more than what they can find in the brains</u>		. . . Phenomenal elements previously unthought of, . . . will disclose at last the secrets of their mysterious workings. [[Plato]] was right <u>to readmit every element of speculation which Socrates had discarded. The problems of universal being are not unattainable or worthless if attained. But the latter can be solved only by mastering those elements that are now looming on the horizons of the profane. Even the [[Spiritualism\|Spirit[ualis]ts.]] with their mistaken, grotesquely perverted views and notions are hazily realizing the new situation. They prophesy and their prophecies are not always without a point of truth in them, of intuitional pre-vision, so to say. Hear some of them reasserting the old, old axiom that</u> "Ideas rule the world"; and as men's minds receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete the world (<u>will</u>) advance; mighty revolutions (<u>will</u>) spring from them; institutions (<u>aye, and even creeds and powers, they may add</u>) — WILL crumble before their onward march crushed by their own <u>inherent force not the</u> irresistible force <u>of the "new ideas" offered by the Spiritualists! Yes; they are both right and wrong.</u> It will be just as impossible to resist their influence when the time comes as to stay the progress of the tide, — <u>to be sure. But what the Spiritualists fail to perceive, I see, and their [[Mediumship#Spirit_guides\|"Spirits"]] to explain (the latter knowing no more than what they can find in the brains</u>
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	<u>of the former) is, that all this</u> will come gradually on; and <u>that</u> before it comes <u>they as well as ourselves</u>, have all a duty <u>to perform, a task</u> set before us: that of sweeping away as much as possible the dross left to us by our pious forefathers. New ideas have to be planted on clean places, for these ideas touch upon the most momentous subjects. It is not physical [[phenomena]] <u>or the agency called [[Spiritualism]]</u> but these universal ideas that we <u>have precisely to</u> study: <u>the [[Noumenon\|noumenon]] not the [[Phenomena\|phenomenon]]</u>, for, to comprehend the LATTER we have first to understand the FORMER. They <u>do</u> touch man's true position in the Universe, to be sure, — <u>but only</u> in relation to his <u>FUTURE not PREVIOUS</u> births. <u>It is not physical phenomena however wonderful that can ever explain to man</u> his origin <u>let alone</u> his ultimate destiny, <u>or as one of them expresses it</u> — the relation of the mortal to the immortal, of the temporary to the eternal, of the finite to the Infinite, <u>etc., etc. They talk very glibly of what they regard as new ideas</u> "larger, <u>more general</u>, grander, more comprehensive, <u>and at the same time, they recognise instead</u> of the eternal reign of immutable law, <u>the universal reign of law as the expression of a divine will (!). Forgetful of their earlier</u>		<u>of the former) is, that all this</u> will come gradually on; and <u>that</u> before it comes <u>they as well as ourselves</u>, have all a duty <u>to perform, a task</u> set before us: that of sweeping away as much as possible the dross left to us by our pious forefathers. New ideas have to be planted on clean places, for these ideas touch upon the most momentous subjects. It is not physical [[phenomena]] <u>or the agency called [[Spiritualism]]</u> but these universal ideas that we <u>have precisely to</u> study: <u>the [[Noumenon\|noumenon]] not the [[Phenomena\|phenomenon]]</u>, for, to comprehend the LATTER we have first to understand the FORMER. They <u>do</u> touch man's true position in the Universe, to be sure, — <u>but only</u> in relation to his <u>FUTURE not PREVIOUS</u> births. <u>It is not physical phenomena however wonderful that can ever explain to man</u> his origin <u>let alone</u> his ultimate destiny, <u>or as one of them expresses it</u> — the relation of the mortal to the immortal, of the temporary to the eternal, of the finite to the Infinite, <u>etc., etc. They talk very glibly of what they regard as new ideas</u> "larger, <u>more general</u>, grander, more comprehensive, <u>and at the same time, they recognise instead</u> of the eternal reign of immutable law, <u>the universal reign of law as the expression of a divine will (!). Forgetful of their earlier</u>

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	== Context and background ==		== Context and background ==

	An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Letters from intervening months may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]].		An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Letters from intervening months may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix Venture\|Phoenix venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]].

	To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the [[Koot Hoomi\|Mahatma K.H.]] to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett]] did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”		To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the [[Koot Hoomi\|Mahatma K.H.]] to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett]] did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”

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	<u>beliefs, and that "it repented the [[God\|Lord]] that he had made Man" these would-be philosophers and reformers would impress upon their hearers that the expression of the said divine Will "is unchanging and unchangeable</u> — in regard to which there is only an ETERNAL NOW, while to mortals ([[Initiation\|uninitiated]]?) time is past or future as related to their finite existence on this material <u>plane" — of which they know as little as of their spiritual spheres</u> — a speck of dirt <u>they have made the latter like our own earth, a future life that the true philosopher would rather avoid than court. But I dream with my eyes open. . . . At all events this is not any privileged teachings of their own. Most of these ideas are taken piece-meal from [[Plato]] and the Alexandrian Philosophers</u>. It is what we <u>all</u> study and what many have solved. . . . . etc., etc.		<u>beliefs, and that "it repented the [[God\|Lord]] that he had made Man" these would-be philosophers and reformers would impress upon their hearers that the expression of the said divine Will "is unchanging and unchangeable</u> — in regard to which there is only an ETERNAL NOW, while to mortals ([[Initiation\|uninitiated]]?) time is past or future as related to their finite existence on this material <u>plane" — of which they know as little as of their spiritual spheres</u> — a speck of dirt <u>they have made the latter like our own earth, a future life that the true philosopher would rather avoid than court. But I dream with my eyes open. . . . At all events this is not any privileged teachings of their own. Most of these ideas are taken piece-meal from [[Plato]] and the Alexandrian Philosophers</u>. It is what we <u>all</u> study and what many have solved. . . . . etc., etc.


			'''NOTE: The following words are written in red ink.'''

	This is the true copy of the original document as now restored — the "Rosetta stone" of [[Henry_Kiddle#The_Kiddle_Incident\|the Kiddle incident]]. And, now, if you have understood my explanations about the process, as given in a few words further back, — you need not ask me how it came to pass that though somewhat disconnected, the sentences transcribed by the [[chela]] are mostly those that are now considered as plagiarized		This is the true copy of the original document as now restored — the "Rosetta stone" of [[Henry_Kiddle#The_Kiddle_Incident\|the Kiddle incident]]. And, now, if you have understood my explanations about the process, as given in a few words further back, — you need not ask me how it came to pass that though somewhat disconnected, the sentences transcribed by the [[chela]] are mostly those that are now considered as plagiarized

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	This is '''Letter No. 117''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 93''' in '''Barker numbering.''' An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Some intervening letters may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix ~~venture~~]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]].		This is '''Letter No. 117''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 93''' in '''Barker numbering.''' An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Some intervening letters may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix Venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]]. This letter was mentioned by [[Samuel Ward]] in a letter dated [[Mahatma_Letter_of_Ward_to/from_KH_-_1883-12-14\|December 14, 1883]].

	'''SEE ALSO NOTES IN LINTON'S ML INDEX BOOK.'''<ref>This is George Linton's copy of ''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' with marginal notations identifying the blocks of text in each of the slides. Located in Theosophical Society in America Archives, along with the slides.</ref>		'''SEE ALSO NOTES IN LINTON'S ML INDEX BOOK.'''<ref>This is George Linton's copy of ''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' with marginal notations identifying the blocks of text in each of the slides. Located in Theosophical Society in America Archives, along with the slides.</ref>

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	This is '''Letter No. 117''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 93''' in '''Barker numbering.''' ~~See below for~~ [[~~Mahatma Letter No~~. ~~117#Context and background\|Context and background~~]].		This is '''Letter No. 117''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 93''' in '''Barker numbering.''' An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Some intervening letters may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]].

	'''SEE ALSO NOTES IN LINTON'S ML INDEX BOOK.'''<ref>This is George Linton's copy of ''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' with marginal notations identifying the blocks of text in each of the slides. Located in Theosophical Society in America Archives, along with the slides.</ref>		'''SEE ALSO NOTES IN LINTON'S ML INDEX BOOK.'''<ref>This is George Linton's copy of ''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' with marginal notations identifying the blocks of text in each of the slides. Located in Theosophical Society in America Archives, along with the slides.</ref>
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	== Context and background ==		== Context and background ==

			An unpublished letter that seems to precede this one was written on '''[[Mahatma_Letter_of_Sinnett_to/from_KH_-_1883-10-09\|June 9, 1883]]'''. Letters from intervening months may be missing, because the focus changes entirely from the [[Phoenix venture]] to the [[Kiddle Incident]].

	To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the [[Koot Hoomi\|Mahatma K.H.]] to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett]] did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”		To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the [[Koot Hoomi\|Mahatma K.H.]] to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett]] did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”
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	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==
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	while the "missing links" are precisely those phrases that would have shown the passages were simply reminiscences if not quotations — the key-note around which came grouping my own reflections on that morning. In those days you were yet hesitating to see in [[Occultism]], or the "[[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|O.L.]]'s" [[phenomena]] anything beyond a variety of [[Spiritualism]] and [[mediumship]]. For the first time in my life I had paid a serious attention to the utterances of the poetical "media", of the so-called "inspirational" oratory of the English and American lecturers, its quality and limitations. I was struck with all this brilliant but empty verbiage, and recognised for the first time fully its pernicious intellectual tendency. [[Morya\|M.]] knew all about them — but since I had never had anything to do with any of them they interested me very little. It was their gross and unsavoury [[materialism]] hiding clumsily under its shadowy spiritual veil that attracted my thoughts at the time. While dictating the sentences quoted — a small portion of the many I had been pondering over for some days — it was those ideas that were thrown out <u>en relief</u> the most, leaving out my own parenthetical remarks to disappear in the [[precipitation]]. Had I looked over the impressed <u>negative</u> (?) there would have been one more weapon broken in the enemy's hand. Having neglected this duty my [[Karma]] evolved, what the mediums of the future and [[The Banner of Light (periodical)\|the Banner]] may call the "Kiddle triumph." The coming		while the "missing links" are precisely those phrases that would have shown the passages were simply reminiscences if not quotations — the key-note around which came grouping my own reflections on that morning. In those days you were yet hesitating to see in [[Occultism]], or the "[[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|O.L.]]'s" [[phenomena]] anything beyond a variety of [[Spiritualism]] and [[mediumship]]. For the first time in my life I had paid a serious attention to the utterances of the poetical "media", of the so-called "inspirational" oratory of the English and American lecturers, its quality and limitations. I was struck with all this brilliant but empty verbiage, and recognised for the first time fully its pernicious intellectual tendency. [[Morya\|M.]] knew all about them — but since I had never had anything to do with any of them they interested me very little. It was their gross and unsavoury materialism hiding clumsily under its shadowy spiritual veil that attracted my thoughts at the time. While dictating the sentences quoted — a small portion of the many I had been pondering over for some days — it was those ideas that were thrown out <u>en relief</u> the most, leaving out my own parenthetical remarks to disappear in the [[precipitation]]. Had I looked over the impressed <u>negative</u> (?) there would have been one more weapon broken in the enemy's hand. Having neglected this duty my [[Karma]] evolved, what the mediums of the future and [[The Banner of Light (periodical)\|the Banner]] may call the "Kiddle triumph." The coming

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	. . . Phenomenal elements previously unthought of, . . . will disclose at last the secrets of their mysterious workings. [[Plato]] was right <u>to readmit every element of speculation which [[Socrates]] had discarded. The problems of universal being are not unattainable or worthless if attained. But the latter can be solved only by mastering those elements that are now looming on the horizons of the profane. Even the [[Spiritualism\|Spirit[ualis]ts.]] with their mistaken, grotesquely perverted views and notions are hazily realizing the new situation. They prophesy and their prophecies are not always without a point of truth in them, of intuitional pre-vision, so to say. Hear some of them reasserting the old, old axiom that</u> "Ideas rule the world"; and as men's minds receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete the world (<u>will</u>) advance; mighty revolutions (<u>will</u>) spring from them; institutions (<u>aye, and even creeds and powers, they may add</u>) — WILL crumble before their onward march crushed by their own <u>inherent force not the</u> irresistible force <u>of the "new ideas" offered by the Spiritualists! Yes; they are both right and wrong.</u> It will be just as impossible to resist their influence when the time comes as to stay the progress of the tide, — <u>to be sure. But what the Spiritualists fail to perceive, I see, and their [[Mediumship#Spirit_guides\|"Spirits"]] to explain (the latter knowing no more than what they can find in the brains</u>		. . . Phenomenal elements previously unthought of, . . . will disclose at last the secrets of their mysterious workings. [[Plato]] was right <u>to readmit every element of speculation which Socrates had discarded. The problems of universal being are not unattainable or worthless if attained. But the latter can be solved only by mastering those elements that are now looming on the horizons of the profane. Even the [[Spiritualism\|Spirit[ualis]ts.]] with their mistaken, grotesquely perverted views and notions are hazily realizing the new situation. They prophesy and their prophecies are not always without a point of truth in them, of intuitional pre-vision, so to say. Hear some of them reasserting the old, old axiom that</u> "Ideas rule the world"; and as men's minds receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete the world (<u>will</u>) advance; mighty revolutions (<u>will</u>) spring from them; institutions (<u>aye, and even creeds and powers, they may add</u>) — WILL crumble before their onward march crushed by their own <u>inherent force not the</u> irresistible force <u>of the "new ideas" offered by the Spiritualists! Yes; they are both right and wrong.</u> It will be just as impossible to resist their influence when the time comes as to stay the progress of the tide, — <u>to be sure. But what the Spiritualists fail to perceive, I see, and their [[Mediumship#Spirit_guides\|"Spirits"]] to explain (the latter knowing no more than what they can find in the brains</u>

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	To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there The Occult World was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the Mahatma K.H. to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, Sinnett did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”		To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the [[Koot Hoomi\|Mahatma K.H.]] to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett]] did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”

	After the book’s publication, it happened that, in the United States, a Spiritualist by the name of Henry Kiddle read it. Mr. Henry Kiddle had given a lecture at a gathering of Spiritualists at Lake Pleasant, New York. He claimed that the above cited passage from OW plagiarized some comments of his in this lecture. He first wrote to Sinnett — so he claimed — through his publisher. It is possible that this letter was not received. Kiddle then wrote to Stainton Moses (M.A. Oxon), editor of Light, the English Spiritualist organ, claiming that the printed passage in OW was ~~“taken verbatim”~~ from his address at Lake Pleasant. His letter was published in the September 1, 1883 issue of that journal. At this time, the Sinnetts were permanently in England. Sinnett at once responded to this letter. A great deal of correspondence resulted from all this (which came to be called ~~“The~~ Kiddle ~~Incident”~~).		After the book’s publication, it happened that, in the United States, a Spiritualist by the name of [[Henry Kiddle]] read it. Mr. Henry Kiddle had given a lecture at a gathering of Spiritualists at Lake Pleasant, New York. He claimed that the above cited passage from ''The Occult World'' plagiarized some comments of his in this lecture. He first wrote to Sinnett — so he claimed — through his publisher. It is possible that this letter was not received. Kiddle then wrote to [[Stainton Moses]] (M.A. Oxon), editor of [[Light (periodical)\|''Light'']], the English Spiritualist organ, claiming that the printed passage in ''The Occult World'' was "taken verbatim" from his address at Lake Pleasant. His letter was published in the September 1, 1883 issue of that journal. At this time, the Sinnetts were permanently in England. Sinnett at once responded to this letter. A great deal of correspondence resulted from all this (which came to be called "The [[Kiddle Incident]]").

	For some time the Mahatma did not bother to answer the charges of plagiarism, apparently attaching little importance to it. But seeing how distressed Sinnett was over the whole matter, he undertook to explain. Letter No. 117 contains this explanation.		For some time the Mahatma did not bother to answer the charges of plagiarism, apparently attaching little importance to it. But seeing how distressed Sinnett was over the whole matter, he undertook to explain. Letter No. 117 contains this explanation.

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	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==

			This letter is mentioned by [[Samuel Ward]] in [[Mahatma Letter of Ward to/from KH - 1883-12-14]].

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			To comprehend this letter, it is necessary to go back to Letter No. 12 (ML-6). The Sinnetts went to England in 1881, and while they were there The Occult World was published. Before leaving India, Sinnett had been told by the Mahatma K.H. to use anything he wished in his book; the Mahatma had complete confidence in his discretion and judgment. Therefore, Sinnett did quote from one of the letters — the one mentioned immediately above — the passage beginning “Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . .”

			After the book’s publication, it happened that, in the United States, a Spiritualist by the name of Henry Kiddle read it. Mr. Henry Kiddle had given a lecture at a gathering of Spiritualists at Lake Pleasant, New York. He claimed that the above cited passage from OW plagiarized some comments of his in this lecture. He first wrote to Sinnett — so he claimed — through his publisher. It is possible that this letter was not received. Kiddle then wrote to Stainton Moses (M.A. Oxon), editor of Light, the English Spiritualist organ, claiming that the printed passage in OW was “taken verbatim” from his address at Lake Pleasant. His letter was published in the September 1, 1883 issue of that journal. At this time, the Sinnetts were permanently in England. Sinnett at once responded to this letter. A great deal of correspondence resulted from all this (which came to be called “The Kiddle Incident”).

			For some time the Mahatma did not bother to answer the charges of plagiarism, apparently attaching little importance to it. But seeing how distressed Sinnett was over the whole matter, he undertook to explain. Letter No. 117 contains this explanation.

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	while the "missing links" are precisely those phrases that would have shown the passages were simply reminiscences if not quotations — the key-note around which came grouping my own reflections on that morning. In those days you were yet hesitating to see in [[Occultism]], or the "[[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|O.L.]]'s" [[phenomena]] anything beyond a variety of [[Spiritualism]] and [[mediumship]]. For the first time in my life I had paid a serious attention to the utterances of the poetical "media", of the so-called "inspirational" oratory of the English and American lecturers, its quality and limitations. I was struck with all this brilliant but empty verbiage, and recognised for the first time fully its pernicious intellectual tendency. [[Morya\|M.]] knew all about them — but since I had never had anything to do with any of them they interested me very little. It was their gross and unsavoury [[materialism]] hiding clumsily under its shadowy spiritual veil that attracted my thoughts at the time. While dictating the sentences quoted — a small portion of the many I had been pondering over for some days — it was those ideas that were thrown out <u>en relief</u> the most, leaving out my own parenthetical remarks to disappear in the [[precipitation]]. Had I looked over the impressed <u>negative</u> (?) there would have been one more weapon broken in the enemy's hand. Having neglected this duty my [[Karma]] evolved, what the mediums of the future and [[The Banner of Light (periodical)\|the Banner]] may call the "Kiddle triumph." The coming		while the "missing links" are precisely those phrases that would have shown the passages were simply reminiscences if not quotations — the key-note around which came grouping my own reflections on that morning. In those days you were yet hesitating to see in [[Occultism]], or the "[[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|O.L.]]'s" [[phenomena]] anything beyond a variety of [[Spiritualism]] and [[mediumship]]. For the first time in my life I had paid a serious attention to the utterances of the poetical "media", of the so-called "inspirational" oratory of the English and American lecturers, its quality and limitations. I was struck with all this brilliant but empty verbiage, and recognised for the first time fully its pernicious intellectual tendency. [[Morya\|M.]] knew all about them — but since I had never had anything to do with any of them they interested me very little. It was their gross and unsavoury materialism hiding clumsily under its shadowy spiritual veil that attracted my thoughts at the time. While dictating the sentences quoted — a small portion of the many I had been pondering over for some days — it was those ideas that were thrown out <u>en relief</u> the most, leaving out my own parenthetical remarks to disappear in the [[precipitation]]. Had I looked over the impressed <u>negative</u> (?) there would have been one more weapon broken in the enemy's hand. Having neglected this duty my [[Karma]] evolved, what the mediums of the future and [[The Banner of Light (periodical)\|the Banner]] may call the "Kiddle triumph." The coming

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