Mahatma Letter No. 12 - Revision history

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	== Context and background ==		== Context and background ==

			According to [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]],
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			The Founders had been visiting with the Sinnetts on their way back to Bombay. HSO had gone on a side trip to Benares, and HPB went over on the 11th to join him for a few days. KH... was on a long horseback trip and had been riding continuously for 48 hours during the time he was composing this letter, which was being precipitated by an inexperienced chela.<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 50-51.</ref>
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	This is an important letter because it gave rise to what is known as [[Henry Kiddle#The_Kiddle_Incident\|"The Kiddle Incident"]]. When [[A. P. Sinnett]] publishes his book [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] in 1881, he quotes this letter from the passage beginning "Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . ." Spiritualist Henry Kiddle, reading the book, discovers that this letter contains unacknowledged sentences uttered by him in August 1880, which prompted his accusation of plagiarism. For more information see [[Mahatma Letter No. 117]].		This is an important letter because it gave rise to what is known as [[Henry Kiddle#The_Kiddle_Incident\|"The Kiddle Incident"]]. When [[A. P. Sinnett]] publishes his book [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] in 1881, he quotes this letter from the passage beginning "Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . ." Spiritualist Henry Kiddle, reading the book, discovers that this letter contains unacknowledged sentences uttered by him in August 1880, which prompted his accusation of plagiarism. For more information see [[Mahatma Letter No. 117]].

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	present, it is all I can tell you. When science will have learned more about the mystery of the lithophyl (or lithobiblion) and how the impress of leaves comes originally to take place on stones, then will I be able to make you better understand the process. But you must know and remember one thing: we but follow and servilely copy nature in her works.		present, it is all I can tell you. When science will have learned more about the mystery of the lithophyl (or lithobiblion) and how the impress of leaves comes originally to take place on stones, then will I be able to make you better understand the process. But you must know and remember one thing: we but follow and servilely copy nature in her works.

	No; we need argue no longer upon the unfortunate question of a "Day with [[H. P. Blavatsky\|Mad. B.]]" It is the more useless, since you say, you have no right to crush and grind your uncivil and often blackguardly opponents in the "[[The Pioneer (periodical)\|Pioneer]]" — even in your own defence — your proprietors objecting to the mention of [[occultism]] altogether. As they are [[Christianity\|Christians]] it is no matter of great wonder. Let us be charitable and hope they will get their own reward: die and become angels of ~~right~~ and Truth — winged paupers of the [[Christianity\|Christians]] heaven.		No; we need argue no longer upon the unfortunate question of a "Day with [[H. P. Blavatsky\|Mad. B.]]" It is the more useless, since you say, you have no right to crush and grind your uncivil and often blackguardly opponents in the "[[The Pioneer (periodical)\|Pioneer]]" — even in your own defence — your proprietors objecting to the mention of [[occultism]] altogether. As they are [[Christianity\|Christians]] it is no matter of great wonder. Let us be charitable and hope they will get their own reward: die and become angels of light and Truth — winged paupers of the [[Christianity\|Christians]] heaven.

	Unless you join several, and organize somehow or other, I am afraid I will prove but of little help for you practically. My dear friend, I have my "proprietors" also.		Unless you join several, and organize somehow or other, I am afraid I will prove but of little help for you practically. My dear friend, I have my "proprietors" also.

SysopJ at 20:24, 29 February 2020

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SysopJ at 22:46, 16 December 2019

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	'''~~This is~~ Letter No. 6 in Barker numbering.''' [[Koot Hoomi]] discusses methods of communication, the character of [[A. O. Hume]], and [[Planetary Spirit\|Planetary Spirits]]. See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 12#Context and background\|Context and background]].		This is '''Letter No. 12''' in''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 6''' in '''Barker numbering.''' [[Koot Hoomi]] discusses methods of communication, the character of [[A. O. Hume]], and [[Planetary Spirit\|Planetary Spirits]]. See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 12#Context and background\|Context and background]].
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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
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SysopJ at 02:45, 4 December 2019

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	'''This is Letter No. 6 in Barker numbering.''' [[Koot Hoomi]] discusses methods of communication, the character of [[A. O. Hume]], and [[Planetary Spirit\|Planetary Spirits]]. See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 12#Context and background\|Context and background]].		'''This is Letter No. 6 in Barker numbering.''' [[Koot Hoomi]] discusses methods of communication, the character of [[A. O. Hume]], and [[Planetary Spirit\|Planetary Spirits]]. See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 12#Context and background\|Context and background]].

SysopJ at 19:47, 17 December 2018

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	== Additional resources ==		== Additional resources ==

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Francisco Cuevas: /* Physical description of letter */ Correction name reference to CM-9

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Physical description of letter: Correction name reference to CM-9

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	== Physical description of letter ==		== Physical description of letter ==

	The original is in the British Library, Folio 1. According to [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]], the letter was written "In blue ink on both sides of four full-sized sheets of white paper. The signature has a circle drawn completely around it, similar to that of [[Mahatma Letter No. 9\|ML-98]]."<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 50.</ref>		The original is in the British Library, Folio 1. According to [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]], the letter was written "In blue ink on both sides of four full-sized sheets of white paper. The signature has a circle drawn completely around it, similar to that of [[Mahatma Letter No. 9\|ML-9]]."<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 50.</ref>

	== Publication history ==		== Publication history ==

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	* In Webster's 1828 English Dictionary the word '''lithophyl''' is defined as: "Bibliolite or lithobiblion, fossil leaves, or the figures of leaves on fossils."		* In Webster's 1828 English Dictionary the word '''lithophyl''' is defined as: "Bibliolite or lithobiblion, fossil leaves, or the figures of leaves on fossils."
			* '''"A Day with Madame Blavatsky"''' is an article written by [[H. S. Olcott]] about the Simla phenomena, which caused much trouble. For more information see [[Mahatma_Letter_No._5#Context_and_background\|Letter No. 5]].

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	*		* '''"To sit with your lady"''' may be referring to a method of psychic development. At the time, Spiritualist trained their mediums through circles in which people would "sit for development."
			* '''"Moggy"''' refers to Hume’s wife, who was his personal secretary.

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	*		* '''"Mexican weed"''' may refer to cannabis, though in India it was known under other traditional names. It could also refer to the "Jimson weed" (Datura stramonium), a powerful hallucinogen and deliriant of Mexican origin that is fatally toxic in only slightly higher amounts than the medicinal dosage.

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	*		* '''"Plato was right"'''. What follows omits several passages of the Master’s original letter due to the inexperience of the [[chela]] [[precipitation\|precipitating]] the letter, and other factors (see [[Mahatma Letter No. 117#Page_12\|Mahatma Letter No. 117]]). This letter will give rise to the [[Henry Kiddle#The_Kiddle_Incident\|"Kiddle Incident"]].

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	== Context and background ==		== Context and background ==

			This is an important letter because it gave rise to what is known as [[Henry Kiddle#The_Kiddle_Incident\|"The Kiddle Incident"]]. When [[A. P. Sinnett]] publishes his book [[The Occult World (book)\|''The Occult World'']] in 1881, he quotes this letter from the passage beginning "Plato was right, ideas rule the world . . ." Spiritualist Henry Kiddle, reading the book, discovers that this letter contains unacknowledged sentences uttered by him in August 1880, which prompted his accusation of plagiarism. For more information see [[Mahatma Letter No. 117]].

	== Physical description of letter ==		== Physical description of letter ==