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	from a remark but too full of deep psychological meaning has produced incalculable harm in quarters where otherwise, the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|S.E.T.S.]] might have recruited more than one convert. . . . I must return once more to the letter.		from a remark but too full of deep psychological meaning has produced incalculable harm in quarters where otherwise, the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|S.E.T.S.]] might have recruited more than one convert. . . . I must return once more to the letter.

	The strongest basis of complaint against me is the fact that my statement implies (a) a kind of challenge to [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] to prove [[Imperator\|+]] a "Spirit" — (b) I am severely denounced by our friend for making out [[Imperator\|+]] — a liar. Now, I mean to be explanatory but not apologetic. I most certainly meant both; only I meant it for you, who had asked me for the information, by no means for him. He has not proved his case, nor did I expect he would, even if he thought he could, as the claim rests entirely upon his own personal assertion due to his unwavering faith in his own impressions. It would be easy for me, on the other hand, to prove [[Imperator\|+]] no disembodied Spirit at all, had I not very good reasons for not doing so at present. I had worded my letter very carefully, so, that, while letting you have a glimpse of the truth, I showed you most clearly that I had no right to divulge the "secret of a [[Brother]]." But, my very good friend, I had never told you in so many words who and what he was. I might, perhaps, have advised you to judge [[Imperator\|+]] by his alleged writings, for more fortunate in that than Job, our "enemies" "~~all~~ write books." They are very fond of dictating inspirational gospels and so — get caught at the glue of their own rhetorics. And who of the most intellectual Spirit[ualis]ts who have read the complete works fathered upon [[Imperator\|+]] would dare maintain that with the exception of a few extremely remarkable pages the rest is not below what [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] could have himself written, and far better? Rest assured		The strongest basis of complaint against me is the fact that my statement implies (a) a kind of challenge to [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] to prove [[Imperator\|+]] a "Spirit" — (b) I am severely denounced by our friend for making out [[Imperator\|+]] — a liar. Now, I mean to be explanatory but not apologetic. I most certainly meant both; only I meant it for you, who had asked me for the information, by no means for him. He has not proved his case, nor did I expect he would, even if he thought he could, as the claim rests entirely upon his own personal assertion due to his unwavering faith in his own impressions. It would be easy for me, on the other hand, to prove [[Imperator\|+]] no disembodied Spirit at all, had I not very good reasons for not doing so at present. I had worded my letter very carefully, so, that, while letting you have a glimpse of the truth, I showed you most clearly that I had no right to divulge the "secret of a [[Brother]]." But, my very good friend, I had never told you in so many words who and what he was. I might, perhaps, have advised you to judge [[Imperator\|+]] by his alleged writings, for more fortunate in that than Job, our "enemies" all "write books." They are very fond of dictating inspirational gospels and so — get caught at the glue of their own rhetorics. And who of the most intellectual Spirit[ualis]ts who have read the complete works fathered upon [[Imperator\|+]] would dare maintain that with the exception of a few extremely remarkable pages the rest is not below what [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] could have himself written, and far better? Rest assured

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	This is '''Letter No. 21''' in''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 27'' in '''Barker numbering.'' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 21#Context and background\|Context and background]].		This is '''Letter No. 21''' in '''[[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 27''' in '''Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 21#Context and background\|Context and background]].
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	'''~~This is~~ Letter No. 27 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 21#Context and background\|Context and background]].		This is '''Letter No. 21''' in''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 27'' in '''Barker numbering.'' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 21#Context and background\|Context and background]].
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	'''This is Letter No. 27 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 21#Context and background\|Context and background]].		'''This is Letter No. 27 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 21#Context and background\|Context and background]].

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	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==

	~~In a letter dated Oct. 2, 1881, HPB writes:~~

	"K.H. or Koot-Hoomi is now gone to sleep for three months to prepare during this Sumadhi or continuous trance state for his initiation, the last but one, when he will become one of the highest adepts. Poor K.H. his
	body is now lying cold and stiff in a separate square building of stone with no windows or doors in it, the entrance to which is effected through an underground passage from a door in Toong-ting (reliquary, a room
	situated in every Thaten (temple) or Lamisery; and his Spirit is quite free. An adept might lie so for years, when his body was carefully prepared for it beforehand by mesmeric passes etc. It is a beautiful spot where he is now in the square tower. The Himalayas on the right and a lovely lake near the lamisery. His Cho-han (spiritual instructor, master, and the Chief of a Tibetan Monastery takes care of his body. M. also goes occasionally to visit him. It is an awful mystery that state of cataleptic sleep for such a length of time."

	== Notes ==		== Notes ==

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	* '''S.E.S.''' ~~refers~~ to ~~the~~ [[~~Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society~~\|~~Simla Eclectic [Theosophical] Society~~]].		* '''I will have to leave you...''' The Master is referring to a [[Koot_Hoomi#K.H..27s_retreat_and_initiation\|retreat for initiation]] he took between the months of October and December, 1881.
	* '''S. J. Padshah''' was a member who on [[August 27]], 1881, published in ''The Bombay Gazette'' a statement entitled [http://blavatskyarchives.com/padshah.htm# "The Theosophists and ''The Occult World''"] vouching for the existence of the [[Masters of the Wisdom]] claiming he had seen "more than one of them" and that he was a disciple of [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]]		* '''S. J. Padshah''' was a member who on [[August 27]], 1881, published in ''The Bombay Gazette'' a statement entitled [http://blavatskyarchives.com/padshah.htm# "The Theosophists and ''The Occult World''"] vouching for the existence of the [[Masters of the Wisdom]] claiming he had seen "more than one of them" and that he was a disciple of [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]]
	* '''''The Grand Inquisitor''''' is a parable in Fyodor Dostoyevsky's novel ''The Brothers Karamazov'' (1879–1880).		* '''''The Grand Inquisitor''''' is a parable in Fyodor Dostoyevsky's novel ''The Brothers Karamazov'' (1879–1880).

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	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==

			In a letter dated Oct. 2, 1881, HPB writes:

			"K.H. or Koot-Hoomi is now gone to sleep for three months to prepare during this Sumadhi or continuous trance state for his initiation, the last but one, when he will become one of the highest adepts. Poor K.H. his
			body is now lying cold and stiff in a separate square building of stone with no windows or doors in it, the entrance to which is effected through an underground passage from a door in Toong-ting (reliquary, a room
			situated in every Thaten (temple) or Lamisery; and his Spirit is quite free. An adept might lie so for years, when his body was carefully prepared for it beforehand by mesmeric passes etc. It is a beautiful spot where he is now in the square tower. The Himalayas on the right and a lovely lake near the lamisery. His Cho-han (spiritual instructor, master, and the Chief of a Tibetan Monastery takes care of his body. M. also goes occasionally to visit him. It is an awful mystery that state of cataleptic sleep for such a length of time."

	== Notes ==		== Notes ==

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	== Additional resources ==		== Additional resources ==

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	* "the Light" refers to [[The Banner of Light (periodical)\|''The Banner of Light'']], a [[Spiritualism\|Spiritualist]] newspaper founded by Luther Colby of Boston in 1857. See note [[ML17#Page 2\|here]].		* '''"the Light"''' refers to [[The Banner of Light (periodical)\|''The Banner of Light'']], a [[Spiritualism\|Spiritualist]] newspaper founded by Luther Colby of Boston in 1857. See note [[ML17#Page 2\|here]].

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	from a remark but too full of deep psychological meaning has produced incalculable harm in quarters where otherwise, the S.E.T.S. might have recruited more than one convert. . . . I must return once more to the letter.		from a remark but too full of deep psychological meaning has produced incalculable harm in quarters where otherwise, the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|S.E.T.S.]] might have recruited more than one convert. . . . I must return once more to the letter.

	The strongest basis of complaint against me is the fact that my statement implies (a) a kind of challenge to [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] to prove [[Imperator\|+]] a "Spirit" — (b) I am severely denounced by our friend for making out [[Imperator\|+]] — a liar. Now, I mean to be explanatory but not apologetic. I most certainly meant both; only I meant it for you, who had asked me for the information, by no means for him. He has not proved his case, nor did I expect he would, even if he thought he could, as the claim rests entirely upon his own personal assertion due to his unwavering faith in his own impressions. It would be easy for me, on the other hand, to prove [[Imperator\|+]] no disembodied Spirit at all, had I not very good reasons for not doing so at present. I had worded my letter very carefully, so, that, while letting you have a glimpse of the truth, I showed you most clearly that I had no right to divulge the "secret of a [[Brother]]." But, my very good friend, I had never told you in so many words who and what he was. I might, perhaps, have advised you to judge [[Imperator\|+]] by his alleged writings, for more fortunate in that than Job, our "enemies" "all write books." They are very fond of dictating inspirational gospels and so — get caught at the glue of their own rhetorics. And who of the most intellectual Spirit[ualis]ts who have read the complete works fathered upon [[Imperator\|+]] would dare maintain that with the exception of a few extremely remarkable pages the rest is not below what [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] could have himself written, and far better? Rest assured		The strongest basis of complaint against me is the fact that my statement implies (a) a kind of challenge to [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] to prove [[Imperator\|+]] a "Spirit" — (b) I am severely denounced by our friend for making out [[Imperator\|+]] — a liar. Now, I mean to be explanatory but not apologetic. I most certainly meant both; only I meant it for you, who had asked me for the information, by no means for him. He has not proved his case, nor did I expect he would, even if he thought he could, as the claim rests entirely upon his own personal assertion due to his unwavering faith in his own impressions. It would be easy for me, on the other hand, to prove [[Imperator\|+]] no disembodied Spirit at all, had I not very good reasons for not doing so at present. I had worded my letter very carefully, so, that, while letting you have a glimpse of the truth, I showed you most clearly that I had no right to divulge the "secret of a [[Brother]]." But, my very good friend, I had never told you in so many words who and what he was. I might, perhaps, have advised you to judge [[Imperator\|+]] by his alleged writings, for more fortunate in that than Job, our "enemies" "all write books." They are very fond of dictating inspirational gospels and so — get caught at the glue of their own rhetorics. And who of the most intellectual Spirit[ualis]ts who have read the complete works fathered upon [[Imperator\|+]] would dare maintain that with the exception of a few extremely remarkable pages the rest is not below what [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] could have himself written, and far better? Rest assured
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	* ~~The "~~S.E.T.S." means the "Simla ~~Ecletic~~ Theosophical Society".		* '''S.E.T.S.''' means the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society]].

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	reasons given. You may — though I would not advise you — read this letter to [[A. O. Hume\|Mr. Hume]]. But I would strongly urge upon you the necessity of a greater caution than ever. Notwithstanding the purity of motives, the [[Chohan]] might one day consider but the results, and these may threaten to become too disastrous for him to overlook. There should be a constant pressure brought to bear upon the members of the S.E.S. to keep their tongues and enthusiasm at bay. And yet there is an increasing concern in the public mind, in regard to your Society and you may soon be called upon to define your position more clearly. Very soon I will have to leave you to yourselves for the period of three months. Whether it will begin in October or January will depend on the impulse given to the Society and its progress.		reasons given. You may — though I would not advise you — read this letter to [[A. O. Hume\|Mr. Hume]]. But I would strongly urge upon you the necessity of a greater caution than ever. Notwithstanding the purity of motives, the [[Chohan]] might one day consider but the results, and these may threaten to become too disastrous for him to overlook. There should be a constant pressure brought to bear upon the members of the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|S.E.S.]] to keep their tongues and enthusiasm at bay. And yet there is an increasing concern in the public mind, in regard to your Society and you may soon be called upon to define your position more clearly. Very soon I will have to leave you to yourselves for the period of three months. Whether it will begin in October or January will depend on the impulse given to the Society and its progress.

	I would feel personally obliged to you were you to kindly consent to examine a poem written by [[Sorabji J. Padshah\|Padshah]], and give your opinion on its merits. I believe it too long for the [[The Theosophist (periodical)\|Theosophical Journal]], nor do its literary merits warrant exactly or justify the claim. However, I leave it to your better judgment. I am anxious that the [[The Theosophist (periodical)\|Journal]] should be more successful this year than it has heretofore been. The suggestion to translate the Grand Inquisitor is mine; for its author, on whom the hand of [[Death]] was already pressing when writing it, gave the most forcible and true description of the Society of Jesus than was ever given before. There is a mighty lesson contained in it for many and even you may profit by it.		I would feel personally obliged to you were you to kindly consent to examine a poem written by [[Sorabji J. Padshah\|Padshah]], and give your opinion on its merits. I believe it too long for the [[The Theosophist (periodical)\|Theosophical Journal]], nor do its literary merits warrant exactly or justify the claim. However, I leave it to your better judgment. I am anxious that the [[The Theosophist (periodical)\|Journal]] should be more successful this year than it has heretofore been. The suggestion to translate the Grand Inquisitor is mine; for its author, on whom the hand of [[Death]] was already pressing when writing it, gave the most forcible and true description of the Society of Jesus than was ever given before. There is a mighty lesson contained in it for many and even you may profit by it.
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	* "S.E.S." refers to the "Simla Eclectic [Theosophical] Society".		* '''S.E.S.''' refers to the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|Simla Eclectic [Theosophical] Society]].
	* S. J. Padshah was a member who on [[August 27]], 1881, published in ''The Bombay Gazette'' a statement entitled [http://blavatskyarchives.com/padshah.htm# "The Theosophists and ''The Occult World''"] vouching for the existence of the [[Masters of the Wisdom]] claiming he had seen "more than one of them" and that he was a disciple of [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]]		* '''S. J. Padshah''' was a member who on [[August 27]], 1881, published in ''The Bombay Gazette'' a statement entitled [http://blavatskyarchives.com/padshah.htm# "The Theosophists and ''The Occult World''"] vouching for the existence of the [[Masters of the Wisdom]] claiming he had seen "more than one of them" and that he was a disciple of [[Koot Hoomi\|Master K.H.]]
	* ''The Grand Inquisitor'' is a parable in Fyodor Dostoyevsky's novel ''The Brothers Karamazov'' (1879–1880).		* '''''The Grand Inquisitor''''' is a parable in Fyodor Dostoyevsky's novel ''The Brothers Karamazov'' (1879–1880).
	* ''The Society of Jesus'' is a Catholic male religious order whose members are known as "Jesuits".		* '''The Society of Jesus''' is a Catholic male religious order whose members are known as "Jesuits".
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	from a remark but too full of deep psychological meaning has produced incalculable harm in quarters where otherwise, the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|S.E.T.S.]] might have recruited more than one convert. . . . I must return once more to the letter.		from a remark but too full of deep psychological meaning has produced incalculable harm in quarters where otherwise, the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|S.E.T.S.]] might have recruited more than one convert. . . . I must return once more to the letter.

	The strongest basis of complaint against me is the fact that my statement implies (a) a kind of challenge to [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] to prove [[Imperator\|+]] a "Spirit" — (b) I am severely denounced by our friend for making out [[Imperator\|+]] — a liar. Now, I mean to be explanatory but not apologetic. I most certainly meant both; only I meant it for you, who had asked me for the information, by no means for him. He has not proved his case, nor did I expect he would, even if he thought he could, as the claim rests entirely upon his own personal assertion due to his unwavering faith in his own impressions. It would be easy for me, on the other hand, to prove [[Imperator\|+]] no disembodied Spirit at all, had I not very good reasons for not doing so at present. I had worded my letter very carefully, so, that, while letting you have a glimpse of the truth, I showed you most clearly that I had no right to divulge the "secret of a [[Brother]]." But, my very good friend, I had never told you in so many words who and what he was. I might, perhaps, have advised you to judge [[Imperator\|+]] by his alleged writings, for more fortunate in that than Job, our "enemies" "~~all~~ write books." They are very fond of dictating inspirational gospels and so — get caught at the glue of their own rhetorics. And who of the most intellectual Spirit[ualis]ts who have read the complete works fathered upon [[Imperator\|+]] would dare maintain that with the exception of a few extremely remarkable pages the rest is not below what [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] could have himself written, and far better? Rest assured		The strongest basis of complaint against me is the fact that my statement implies (a) a kind of challenge to [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] to prove [[Imperator\|+]] a "Spirit" — (b) I am severely denounced by our friend for making out [[Imperator\|+]] — a liar. Now, I mean to be explanatory but not apologetic. I most certainly meant both; only I meant it for you, who had asked me for the information, by no means for him. He has not proved his case, nor did I expect he would, even if he thought he could, as the claim rests entirely upon his own personal assertion due to his unwavering faith in his own impressions. It would be easy for me, on the other hand, to prove [[Imperator\|+]] no disembodied Spirit at all, had I not very good reasons for not doing so at present. I had worded my letter very carefully, so, that, while letting you have a glimpse of the truth, I showed you most clearly that I had no right to divulge the "secret of a [[Brother]]." But, my very good friend, I had never told you in so many words who and what he was. I might, perhaps, have advised you to judge [[Imperator\|+]] by his alleged writings, for more fortunate in that than Job, our "enemies" all "write books." They are very fond of dictating inspirational gospels and so — get caught at the glue of their own rhetorics. And who of the most intellectual Spirit[ualis]ts who have read the complete works fathered upon [[Imperator\|+]] would dare maintain that with the exception of a few extremely remarkable pages the rest is not below what [[Stainton Moses\|S.M.]] could have himself written, and far better? Rest assured

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