Mahatma Letter No. 84 - Revision history

Alejandro Daniele at 12:39, 4 November 2024

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Context and background

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	== Context and background ==		== Context and background ==
			This letter is really a “cover letter” for the one to follow.

			Dharbagiri Nath was a mystical name for one of the Mahatma K.H.’s chelas, Gwala K. Deb. But there is also a strange connection with another individual — a probationary chela of the Mahatma K.H. — known in the literature as Babaji, or sometimes Bawajee. This very odd situation is explained by Sven Eek in Damodar, p. 537 (see also LBS, from 135 to 140, also p. 336, et seq.) See the notes to Letter No. 53 (ML-136).

			At about the time of this letter and probably in connection with it — the Mahatma K.H. desired to send two chelas to Sinnett, then at Simla. He selected one of his pupils, Gwala K. Deb, who was probably a Tibetan, and R. Keshava Pillai, an Inspector of Police at Nellore, who had become a probationary lay chela and who was known as Chandra Cusho — a name given him by the Mahatma K.H. Deb was in Tibet at the time, undergoing certain occult training, and was unable to go in his physical body. Babaji consented to have Deb use his body for the occasion. This was much to his credit and spiritual benefit. It was, however, Deb’s mystical name which was Dharbagiri Nath, and it seems that Babaji continued to use the name after the experience was ended. The mix-up is a strange one, and when one meets with the name Dharbagiri Nath, as one does several times in the letters, it is difficult to know whether it is really Gwala K. Deb, the Tibetan Chela, or Babaji. However, when the Mahatma refers to him as “the little man” or “my little man” he is probably referring to Babaji (whether as Deb or as himself) as he was of very small stature.

			Chandra Cusho was a Tibetan name given by the Mahatma to R. Keshava Pillai. He was put on probation by the Mahatma but progressed no further. Later, he lost interest in the Theosophical Society. He received several letters from the Mahatma which, some years later, he gave to Olcott. They are included in LMW, Series 2, pp. 115-119. One letter of the group has some connection with Letter No. 84. The Mahatma tells him that he is sending “Deb” to Simla with some letters for Mr. Sinnett (whom he calls “the best of all”) and asks whether Brother Keshu (Chandra Cusho) will accompany and help him. “The task is easy,” says the Mahatma, “and there will not be much for either to do but be silent, and successfully play their parts. The Mahatma promises him that if he carries out this mission successfully, he (K.H.) will take him under his special protection and permit some of the secrets to be taught to him. Undoubtedly the mission was to deliver Letters No. 84 and 85A and 85B.

	== Physical description of letter ==		== Physical description of letter ==

Pablo Sender: /* Commentary about this letter */

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Commentary about this letter

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	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==
	~~This letter is really a “cover letter” for the one to follow.~~

	Dharbagiri Nath was a mystical name for one of the Mahatma K.H.’s chelas, Gwala K. Deb. But there is also a strange connection with another individual — a probationary chela of the Mahatma K.H. — known in the literature as Babaji, or sometimes Bawajee. This very odd situation is explained by Sven Eek in Damodar, p. 537 (see also LBS, from 135 to 140, also p. 336, et seq.) See the notes to Letter No. 53 (ML-136).

	At about the time of this letter and probably in connection with it — the Mahatma K.H. desired to send two chelas to Sinnett, then at Simla. He selected one of his pupils, Gwala K. Deb, who was probably a Tibetan, and R. Keshava Pillai, an Inspector of Police at Nellore, who had become a probationary lay chela and who was known as Chandra Cusho — a name given him by the Mahatma K.H. Deb was in Tibet at the time, undergoing certain occult training, and was unable to go in his physical body. Babaji consented to have Deb use his body for the occasion. This was much to his credit and spiritual benefit. It was, however, Deb’s mystical name which was Dharbagiri Nath, and it seems that Babaji continued to use the name after the experience was ended. The mix-up is a strange one, and when one meets with the name Dharbagiri Nath, as one does several times in the letters, it is difficult to know whether it is really Gwala K. Deb, the Tibetan Chela, or Babaji. However, when the Mahatma refers to him as “the little man” or “my little man” he is probably referring to Babaji (whether as Deb or as himself) as he was of very small stature.

	Chandra Cusho was a Tibetan name given by the Mahatma to R. Keshava Pillai. He was put on probation by the Mahatma but progressed no further. Later, he lost interest in the Theosophical Society. He received several letters from the Mahatma which, some years later, he gave to Olcott. They are included in LMW, Series 2, pp. 115-119. One letter of the group has some connection with Letter No. 84. The Mahatma tells him that he is sending “Deb” to Simla with some letters for Mr. Sinnett (whom he calls “the best of all”) and asks whether Brother Keshu (Chandra Cusho) will accompany and help him. “The task is easy,” says the Mahatma, “and there will not be much for either to do but be silent, and successfully play their parts. The Mahatma promises him that if he carries out this mission successfully, he (K.H.) will take him under his special protection and permit some of the secrets to be taught to him. Undoubtedly the mission was to deliver Letters No. 84 and 85A and 85B.

	== Notes ==		== Notes ==

Pablo Sender: /* Commentary about this letter */

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Commentary about this letter

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	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==
			This letter is really a “cover letter” for the one to follow.

			Dharbagiri Nath was a mystical name for one of the Mahatma K.H.’s chelas, Gwala K. Deb. But there is also a strange connection with another individual — a probationary chela of the Mahatma K.H. — known in the literature as Babaji, or sometimes Bawajee. This very odd situation is explained by Sven Eek in Damodar, p. 537 (see also LBS, from 135 to 140, also p. 336, et seq.) See the notes to Letter No. 53 (ML-136).

			At about the time of this letter and probably in connection with it — the Mahatma K.H. desired to send two chelas to Sinnett, then at Simla. He selected one of his pupils, Gwala K. Deb, who was probably a Tibetan, and R. Keshava Pillai, an Inspector of Police at Nellore, who had become a probationary lay chela and who was known as Chandra Cusho — a name given him by the Mahatma K.H. Deb was in Tibet at the time, undergoing certain occult training, and was unable to go in his physical body. Babaji consented to have Deb use his body for the occasion. This was much to his credit and spiritual benefit. It was, however, Deb’s mystical name which was Dharbagiri Nath, and it seems that Babaji continued to use the name after the experience was ended. The mix-up is a strange one, and when one meets with the name Dharbagiri Nath, as one does several times in the letters, it is difficult to know whether it is really Gwala K. Deb, the Tibetan Chela, or Babaji. However, when the Mahatma refers to him as “the little man” or “my little man” he is probably referring to Babaji (whether as Deb or as himself) as he was of very small stature.

			Chandra Cusho was a Tibetan name given by the Mahatma to R. Keshava Pillai. He was put on probation by the Mahatma but progressed no further. Later, he lost interest in the Theosophical Society. He received several letters from the Mahatma which, some years later, he gave to Olcott. They are included in LMW, Series 2, pp. 115-119. One letter of the group has some connection with Letter No. 84. The Mahatma tells him that he is sending “Deb” to Simla with some letters for Mr. Sinnett (whom he calls “the best of all”) and asks whether Brother Keshu (Chandra Cusho) will accompany and help him. “The task is easy,” says the Mahatma, “and there will not be much for either to do but be silent, and successfully play their parts. The Mahatma promises him that if he carries out this mission successfully, he (K.H.) will take him under his special protection and permit some of the secrets to be taught to him. Undoubtedly the mission was to deliver Letters No. 84 and 85A and 85B.

	== Notes ==		== Notes ==

SysopJ at 02:51, 1 March 2020

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	'''~~This is~~ Letter No. 111 in Barker numbering.''' [[Djual Khool]] describes the conditions under which a package will be delivered to [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett's house.]] See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 84#Context and background\|Context and background]].		This is '''Letter No. 84''' in''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 111''' in '''Barker numbering.''' [[Djual Khool]] describes the conditions under which a package will be delivered to [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett's house.]] See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 84#Context and background\|Context and background]].
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SysopJ at 15:06, 4 December 2019

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	\| receivedat = [[Simla, India]]		\| receivedat = [[Simla, India]]
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	'''This is Letter No. 111 in Barker numbering.''' [[Djual Khool]] describes the conditions under which a package will be delivered to [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett's house.]] See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 84#Context and background\|Context and background]].		'''This is Letter No. 111 in Barker numbering.''' [[Djual Khool]] describes the conditions under which a package will be delivered to [[A. P. Sinnett\|Sinnett's house.]] See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 84#Context and background\|Context and background]].

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