Mahatma Letter No. 87 - Revision history

Alejandro Daniele at 15:57, 26 November 2024

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SysopJ at 02:54, 1 March 2020

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SysopJ at 15:53, 17 December 2019

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	'''~~This is~~ Letter No. 34 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 87#Context and background\|Context and background]].		This is '''Letter No. 87''' in''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)\|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 34''' in '''Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 87#Context and background\|Context and background]].
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SysopJ at 15:07, 4 December 2019

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	'''This is Letter No. 34 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 87#Context and background\|Context and background]].		'''This is Letter No. 34 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 87#Context and background\|Context and background]].

Pablo Sender at 15:09, 12 April 2013

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	It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother <u>is wrong</u>" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of <u>complaint</u> and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will <u>never</u> be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and		It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the [[Theosophical Society\|Theos' Society]]? [[Allan Octavian Hume\|Mr. Hume]] maintains that he does not say — "[[Koot Hoomi\|K.H.]] or any other [[Masters of Wisdom\|brother]] <u>is wrong</u>" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and [[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|H.P.B.]] breathes the spirit of <u>complaint</u> and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will <u>never</u> be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and

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	then — well you yourself know the consequences. Enclosed two letters written and addressed to her with an eye to myself. Well, we can do no better for the present. The Society will never perish as an institution, although branches and individuals in it may. I have done to <u>humour</u> him lately more than I have ever done for you; and you may judge of the situation in the chaotic but on the whole reasonable remarks that H.P.B. addresses to-day to Mr. H.		then — well you yourself know the consequences. Enclosed two letters written and addressed to her with an eye to myself. Well, we can do no better for the present. The [[Theosophical Society\|Society]] will never perish as an institution, although branches and individuals in it may. I have done to <u>humour</u> him lately more than I have ever done for you; and you may judge of the situation in the chaotic but on the whole reasonable remarks that [[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|H.P.B.]] addresses to-day to [[Allan Octavian Hume\|Mr. H.]]

	We must be left to judge for ourselves and be permitted to be the best judges. Everything will be explained and given out, in good time if we are but allowed our own ways. Otherwise, rather give up the Eclectic. I had volumes from him during the past week! I send you a few notes through her. Keep <u>this</u> confidential.		We must be left to judge for ourselves and be permitted to be the best judges. Everything will be explained and given out, in good time if we are but allowed our own ways. Otherwise, rather give up the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|Eclectic]]. I had volumes from him during the past week! I send you a few notes through her. Keep <u>this</u> confidential.

	Yours,		Yours,

	K. H.		[[Koot Hoomi\|K. H.]]

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Janet Kerschner: /* Physical description of letter */

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	== Physical description of letter ==		== Physical description of letter ==

	The original is in the British Library, Folio 2~~, page 242~~. According to [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]], the letter was written:		The original is in the British Library, Folio 2. According to [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]], the letter was written:
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	On a single folded sheet of glazed paper, about 6" x 9" <nowiki>[</nowiki>15.2 x 22.9 cm<nowiki>]</nowiki>, in KH script, in heavy blue pencil.<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 146.</ref>		On a single folded sheet of glazed paper, about 6" x 9" <nowiki>[</nowiki>15.2 x 22.9 cm<nowiki>]</nowiki>, in KH script, in heavy blue pencil.<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 146.</ref>

SysopJ at 03:13, 26 July 2012

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	It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother is wrong" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of complaint and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will never be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and		It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother <u>is wrong</u>" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of <u>complaint</u> and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will <u>never</u> be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and

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	then — well you yourself know the consequences. Enclosed two letters written and addressed to her with an eye to myself. Well, we can do no better for the present. The Society will never perish as an institution, although branches and individuals in it may. I have done to humour him lately more than I have ever done for you; and you may judge of the situation in the chaotic but on the whole reasonable remarks that H.P.B. addresses to-day to Mr. H.		then — well you yourself know the consequences. Enclosed two letters written and addressed to her with an eye to myself. Well, we can do no better for the present. The Society will never perish as an institution, although branches and individuals in it may. I have done to <u>humour</u> him lately more than I have ever done for you; and you may judge of the situation in the chaotic but on the whole reasonable remarks that H.P.B. addresses to-day to Mr. H.

	We must be left to judge for ourselves and be permitted to be the best judges. Everything will be explained and given out, in good time if we are but allowed our own ways. Otherwise, rather give up the Eclectic. I had volumes from him during the past week! I send you a few notes through her. Keep this confidential.		We must be left to judge for ourselves and be permitted to be the best judges. Everything will be explained and given out, in good time if we are but allowed our own ways. Otherwise, rather give up the Eclectic. I had volumes from him during the past week! I send you a few notes through her. Keep <u>this</u> confidential.

	Yours,		Yours,
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	== Context and background ==		== Context and background ==


	== Physical description of letter ==		== Physical description of letter ==

			The original is in the British Library, Folio 2, page 242. According to [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]], the letter was written:
			<blockquote>
			On a single folded sheet of glazed paper, about 6" x 9" <nowiki>[</nowiki>15.2 x 22.9 cm<nowiki>]</nowiki>, in KH script, in heavy blue pencil.<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 146.</ref>
			</blockquote>

	== Publication history ==		== Publication history ==


	== Commentary about this letter ==		== Commentary about this letter ==


	== Notes ==		== Notes ==

Harry Binford at 19:45, 23 July 2012

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	It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother is wrong" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of complaint and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will never be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and		It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother is wrong" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of complaint and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will never be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and

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Janet Kerschner at 01:30, 14 April 2012

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	'''This is Letter No. 34 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 87#Context and background\|Context and background]].		'''This is Letter No. 34 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 87#Context and background\|Context and background]].

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	It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother <u>is wrong</u>" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of <u>complaint</u> and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will <u>never</u> be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and		It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the [[Theosophical Society\|Theos' Society]]? [[Allan Octavian Hume\|Mr. Hume]] maintains that he does not say — "[[Koot Hoomi\|K.H.]] or any other [[Masters of Wisdom\|brother]] <u>is wrong</u>" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and [[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|H.P.B.]] breathes the spirit of <u>complaint</u> and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will <u>never</u> be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and

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	then — well you yourself know the consequences. Enclosed two letters written and addressed to her with an eye to myself. Well, we can do no better for the present. The Society will never perish as an institution, although branches and individuals in it may. I have done to <u>humour</u> him lately more than I have ever done for you; and you may judge of the situation in the chaotic but on the whole reasonable remarks that H.P.B. addresses to-day to Mr. H.		then — well you yourself know the consequences. Enclosed two letters written and addressed to her with an eye to myself. Well, we can do no better for the present. The [[Theosophical Society\|Society]] will never perish as an institution, although branches and individuals in it may. I have done to <u>humour</u> him lately more than I have ever done for you; and you may judge of the situation in the chaotic but on the whole reasonable remarks that [[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky\|H.P.B.]] addresses to-day to [[Allan Octavian Hume\|Mr. H.]]

	We must be left to judge for ourselves and be permitted to be the best judges. Everything will be explained and given out, in good time if we are but allowed our own ways. Otherwise, rather give up the Eclectic. I had volumes from him during the past week! I send you a few notes through her. Keep <u>this</u> confidential.		We must be left to judge for ourselves and be permitted to be the best judges. Everything will be explained and given out, in good time if we are but allowed our own ways. Otherwise, rather give up the [[Simla Eclectic Theosophical Society\|Eclectic]]. I had volumes from him during the past week! I send you a few notes through her. Keep <u>this</u> confidential.

	Yours,		Yours,

	K. H.		[[Koot Hoomi\|K. H.]]

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	It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother is wrong" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of complaint and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will never be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and		It is positively distressing to find oneself so systematically misunderstood, one's intentions misconceived, and the whole plan imperilled by this endless hurrying on. Are we never then to be granted any credit for knowing what we are about, or allowed the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any reasonable proof whatever that we have determined to "bar the progress" of the Theos: Society? Mr. Hume maintains that he does not say — "K.H. or any other brother is wrong" — withal every line of his numerous letters to myself and H.P.B. breathes the spirit of complaint and bitter accusation. I tell you, my good friend, he will never be satisfied do what we may! And as, we cannot consent to over flood the world at the risk of drowning them, with a doctrine that has to be cautiously given out, and bit by bit like a too powerful tonic which can kill as well as cure — the result will be a reaction in that insatiable craving of his, and

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