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'''This is Letter No. 61 in Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 125#Context and background|Context and background]].
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This is '''Letter No. 125''' in ''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 61''' in '''Barker numbering.''' See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 125#Context and background|Context and background]].
 
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Sinnett Sahib is, my respectful salams — informed that his "guardian" is so occupied upon official business that he cannot give even a moment's consideration to the L.L. or its members; nor to write him individually whether by pen or precipitation — the more difficult, not to say costly, method of the two — to our reputations in the west anyhow.
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[[Alfred Percy Sinnett|Sinnett]] Sahib is, my respectful salams — informed that his "guardian" is so occupied upon official business that he cannot give even a moment's consideration to the [[London Lodge|L.L.]] or its members; nor to write him individually whether by pen or [[precipitation]] — the more difficult, not to say costly, method of the two — to our reputations in the west anyhow.
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[[Mohini Mohun Chatterji|Mohini]] cannot stop in London indefinitely nor for any greater length of time as he has duties to perform elsewhere — duties to his family as well as others to the [[Theosophical Society]]. Besides being a
  
Mohini cannot stop in London indefinitely nor for any greater length of time as he has duties to perform elsewhere — duties to his family as well as others to the Theosophical Society. Besides being a
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chela and so not a free man — in the ordinary acceptation of the term, he has numerous mouths to feed at Calcutta and moreover must earn enough more to repay the friend who advanced him £125 money toward the expenses of his present mission, whatever K.H. may or may not do for him something he is prohibited counting upon as every other chela. At the same time let it be known to you that he needs temporary change of climate. He suffered greatly from cold in that high room where there is no fireplace in your house and K.H. had to surround him with a double shell against a death cold that threatened him. Remember Hindus are exotic plants in your inclement pays and cold, and those who need them have to take care of them. (If when annoying Olcott on Sunday last to tell you this information, I did not make him tell you, and add (1) this it is, because I wanted to spare him in your mind already prejudiced against him and inclining towards a belief that he spoke out of his head.)
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[[chela]] and so not a free man — in the ordinary acceptation of the term, he has numerous mouths to feed at Calcutta and moreover must earn enough more to repay the friend who advanced him £125 money toward the expenses of his present mission, whatever [[Koot Hoomi|K.H.]] may or may not do for him something he is prohibited counting upon as every other chela. At the same time let it be known to you that he needs temporary change of climate. He suffered greatly from cold in that high room where there is no fireplace in your house and K.H. had to surround him with a double shell against a death cold that threatened him. Remember [[Hinduism|Hindus]] are exotic plants in your inclement fogs and colds, and those who need them have to take care of them. (If when annoying [[Henry Steel Olcott|Olcott]] on Sunday last to tell you this information, I did not make him tell you, and add this it is, because I wanted to spare him in your mind already prejudiced against him and inclining towards a belief that he spoke out of his head.)
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Again if you need [[Mohini Mohun Chatterji|Mohini]]'s help at London the [[Theosophist]]s at Paris require it even more since their [[Occultism|occult]] education is inferior to yours. It is planned that he should divide his time equally among all the European "centres of spiritual activity" and if he is now required at Paris on the 11th inst. he will also be allowed to come back to London when the Continental movement is fairly inaugurated. In any event you will have Olcott the better part of
  
Again if you need Mohini's help at London the Theosophists at Paris require it even more since their occult education is inferior to yours. It is planned that he should divide his time equally among all the European "centres of spiritual activity" and if he is now required at Paris on the 11th inst. he will also be allowed to come back to London when the Continental movement is fairly inaugurated. In any event you will have Olcott the better part of
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the time. But fear not: if Henry is allowed to prolong his stay in London he will not "worry" either of you by coming down in his extravagant Asiatic undresses — for he will not stop with you but with the Arundales ladies — as ordered before now, the order being reiterated by me when Madame Sahib remarked it was better he should stop where he was after Upasika had left. Nor is Olcott worse than many others, and though some persons may not concede it there are worse wranglers than he. I must not close without letting you know that in the Kingsford row justice is no longer on your side. Though unwilling to confess — you show spite Sahib, personal spite. You have defeated her and you now would mortify and punish her. This is not right. You ought to learn to dissociate your consciousness from your external self more than you do if ye would not lose K.H. For he is much annoyed at what goes on. Excuse my remarks but it is for your own benefit. So begging pardon.
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the time. But fear not: if [[Henry Steel Olcott|Henry]] is allowed to prolong his stay in London he will not "worry" either of you by coming down in his extravagant Asiatic undresses — for he will not stop with you but with the [[Francesca Arundale|Arundales ladies]] — as ordered before now, the order being reiterated by me when Madame Sahib remarked it was better he should stop where he was after [[Upasika]] had left. Nor is Olcott worse than many others, and though some persons may not concede it there are worse wranglers than he. I must not close without letting you know that in the [[Anna Bonus Kingsford|Kingsford]] row justice is no longer on your side. Though unwilling to confess — you show spite Sahib, personal spite. You have defeated her and you now would mortify and punish her. This is not right. You ought to learn to dissociate your consciousness from your external self more than you do if ye would not lose [[Koot Hoomi|K.H.]] For he is much annoyed at what goes on. Excuse my remarks but it is for your own benefit. So begging pardon.
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* '''Arundales ladies''' refers to [[Francesca Arundale]] and her mother Mary Anne Arundale, who lived at 77 Elgin Crescent in London.
  
 
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== Physical description of letter ==
 
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The original is in the British Library, Folio 3. [[George Linton]] and [[Virginia Hanson]] described the letter this way:
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In red ink, diagonally on the paper, on a single sheet of smooth heavy paper of slightly ivory shade, 7" X 9 1/2" <nowiki>[</nowiki>17.8 X 24.1 cm<nowiki>]</nowiki>. The script varies in size and is crowded toward the end of the letter. The envelope, bound in the folio, is a long slim one with a Chinese block print on the front. On the back, in red ink and in M script is: "Sinnett Sahib, from M."<ref>George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., ''Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'' (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 194.</ref>
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Latest revision as of 03:24, 1 March 2020

Quick Facts
People involved
Written by: Morya
Received by: A. P. Sinnett
Sent via: unknown
Dates
Written on: unknown
Received on: April 15, 1884
Other dates: unknown
Places
Sent from: unknown
Received at: London
Via: unknown 

This is Letter No. 125 in The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett, 4th chronological edition. It corresponds to Letter No. 61 in Barker numbering. See below for Context and background.

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Sinnett Sahib is, my respectful salams — informed that his "guardian" is so occupied upon official business that he cannot give even a moment's consideration to the L.L. or its members; nor to write him individually whether by pen or precipitation — the more difficult, not to say costly, method of the two — to our reputations in the west anyhow.

Mohini cannot stop in London indefinitely nor for any greater length of time as he has duties to perform elsewhere — duties to his family as well as others to the Theosophical Society. Besides being a

125-1_6911_thm.jpg

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  • Text is written on the right side of the sheet, or front if folded.

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chela and so not a free man — in the ordinary acceptation of the term, he has numerous mouths to feed at Calcutta and moreover must earn enough more to repay the friend who advanced him £125 money toward the expenses of his present mission, whatever K.H. may or may not do for him something he is prohibited counting upon as every other chela. At the same time let it be known to you that he needs temporary change of climate. He suffered greatly from cold in that high room where there is no fireplace in your house and K.H. had to surround him with a double shell against a death cold that threatened him. Remember Hindus are exotic plants in your inclement fogs and colds, and those who need them have to take care of them. (If when annoying Olcott on Sunday last to tell you this information, I did not make him tell you, and add this it is, because I wanted to spare him in your mind already prejudiced against him and inclining towards a belief that he spoke out of his head.)

Again if you need Mohini's help at London the Theosophists at Paris require it even more since their occult education is inferior to yours. It is planned that he should divide his time equally among all the European "centres of spiritual activity" and if he is now required at Paris on the 11th inst. he will also be allowed to come back to London when the Continental movement is fairly inaugurated. In any event you will have Olcott the better part of

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  • Text is written on the inside of the folded sheet.

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the time. But fear not: if Henry is allowed to prolong his stay in London he will not "worry" either of you by coming down in his extravagant Asiatic undresses — for he will not stop with you but with the Arundales ladies — as ordered before now, the order being reiterated by me when Madame Sahib remarked it was better he should stop where he was after Upasika had left. Nor is Olcott worse than many others, and though some persons may not concede it there are worse wranglers than he. I must not close without letting you know that in the Kingsford row justice is no longer on your side. Though unwilling to confess — you show spite Sahib, personal spite. You have defeated her and you now would mortify and punish her. This is not right. You ought to learn to dissociate your consciousness from your external self more than you do if ye would not lose K.H. For he is much annoyed at what goes on. Excuse my remarks but it is for your own benefit. So begging pardon.

M.

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NOTES:

  • Text is written on the left side of the sheet, or back if folded.
  • Arundales ladies refers to Francesca Arundale and her mother Mary Anne Arundale, who lived at 77 Elgin Crescent in London.

Context and background

Physical description of letter

The original is in the British Library, Folio 3. George Linton and Virginia Hanson described the letter this way:

In red ink, diagonally on the paper, on a single sheet of smooth heavy paper of slightly ivory shade, 7" X 9 1/2" [17.8 X 24.1 cm]. The script varies in size and is crowded toward the end of the letter. The envelope, bound in the folio, is a long slim one with a Chinese block print on the front. On the back, in red ink and in M script is: "Sinnett Sahib, from M."[1]

Publication history

Commentary about this letter

Notes

  1. George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 194.