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'''sets of circumstances legitimate & illegitimate means may be a matter open to argument) prevented the further extension of a power, which is essentially hostile to the highest interests of humanity.'''
'''sets of circumstances legitimate & illegitimate means may be a matter open to argument) prevented the further extension of a power, which is essentially hostile to the highest interests of humanity.'''
Then about the English-speaking vaquil. Was the man so much to blame? You and yours have never taught him that there was any thing in [[Yog]] [[Vidya]]. The only people who have taken the trouble to educate him at all have in so doing taught him materialism. You are disgusted with him, but who is to blame? '''He who having no teaching but a materialistic one, rejects as reasons, the vague rumours that have reached him as to spiritual possibilities, & you (I mean your brotherhood) who knowing all about these have failed to popularize the knowledge have in fact failed to teach him better?''' I judge perhaps as an outsider, but it does seem to me, that the impenetrable veil of secrecy by which you surround yourselves, the enormous difficulties which you oppose to the communication of your spiritual knowledge, are the main causes of the rampant materialism which you so much deplore. '''You are the only people who possess any real __ __ knowledge of things spiritual in __ millions upon millions possess a sort of knowledge of these thro __ pure life, meditations and in fact the higher discipline of all religions  worthy of the name. But this knowledge of theirs __ suffering others __ souls, is not a character to produce objective ___ or tangible__ that they can __ to __  others by __ less spiritually minded to __ convictions to their own.''' You alone do possess the means of bringing home to the ordinary run of men, convictions of this nature,  
Then about the English-speaking vaquil. Was the man so much to blame? You and yours have never taught him that there was any thing in [[Yog]] [[Vidya]]. The only people who have taken the trouble to educate him at all have in so doing taught him materialism. You are disgusted with him, but who is to blame? '''He who having no teaching but a materialistic one, rejects as reasons, the vague rumours that have reached him as to spiritual possibilities, & you (I mean your brotherhood) who knowing all about these have failed to popularize the knowledge have in fact failed to teach him better?''' I judge perhaps as an outsider, but it does seem to me, that the impenetrable veil of secrecy by which you surround yourselves, the enormous difficulties which you oppose to the communication of your spiritual knowledge, are the main causes of the rampant materialism which you so much deplore. '''You are the only people who possess any real experimental knowledge of things spiritual in doubtless millions upon millions possess a sort of knowledge of these thro faith, pure life, meditations and in fact the higher discipline of all religions  worthy of the name. But this knowledge of theirs tho suffixing to their own souls, is not a character to produce objective results or tangible arguments, that they can appeal to __  others __ less spiritually minded to similar convictions to their own.''' You alone do possess the means of bringing home to the ordinary run of men, convictions of this nature,  


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but you, apparently bound by ancient rules, so far from zealously disseminating this knowledge, envelope it in such a dense cloud of mystery, that naturally the mass of mankind, disbelieve in its existence. '''__ __ __ is I __it may have been very necessary in former days when the exhibition of the powers possessed by adepts might have led to prosecutions or persecutions. But now when in the new & highly civilized countries, such exhibitions would entail __ abuse (both of which the inexorable logic of facts would surely even __ __) although''' there can be no justification for not giving clearly to the world the more important features of your philosophy, accompanying the teaching with such a series of demonstrations as should ensure the attention of all sincere minds. That you should hesitate to confer hastily great powers too likely to be abused, I quite understand — but this in no way bars a dogmatic denunciation of the results of your psychical investigations, accompanied by [[phenomena]], sufficiently clear and often repeated to prove that you really did know more of the subjects with which you dealt than Western Science does (2) . . .
but you, apparently bound by ancient rules, so far from zealously disseminating this knowledge, envelope it in such a dense cloud of mystery, that naturally the mass of mankind, disbelieve in its existence. '''had? This veil of secrecy is I submit in __ ___it may have been very necessary in former days when the exhibition of the powers possessed by adepts might have led to prosecutions or persecutions. But now when in the new & highly civilized countries, such exhibitions would entail __ & abuse (both of which the inexorable logic of facts would surely even tho slowly strangle) ''' there can be no justification for not giving clearly to the world the more important features of your philosophy, accompanying the teaching with such a series of demonstrations as should ensure the attention of all sincere minds. That you should hesitate to confer hastily great powers too likely to be abused, I quite understand — but this in no way bars a dogmatic denunciation of the results of your psychical investigations, accompanied by [[phenomena]], sufficiently clear and often repeated to prove that you really did know more of the subjects with which you dealt than Western Science does (2) . . .


Perhaps you will retort "how about Slade's case?" but do not forget that he was taking money for what he did; making a living out of it. Very different would be the position of a man, who came forward to teach gratuitously, manifestly at the sacrifice of his own time, comfort and convenience, what he believed it to be for the good of mankind to know. At first no doubt everyone would say the man was mad or an impostor — but then when [[phenomenon]] on [[phenomenon]] was repeated and repeated, they would have to admit there was something in it, and within three years, you would have all the foremost minds in any civilized country intent upon the question and tens of thousands of anxious enquirers out of whom ten per cent. might prove useful workers, and one in a thousand perhaps develop the necessary qualifications for becoming ultimately an [[adept]]. If you desire to react on the native through the European mind that is the way to work it. Of course, I speak under correction and in ignorance of conditions, possibilities, etc., but
Perhaps you will retort "how about Slade's case?" but do not forget that he was taking money for what he did; making a living out of it. Very different would be the position of a man, who came forward to teach gratuitously, manifestly at the sacrifice of his own time, comfort and convenience, what he believed it to be for the good of mankind to know. At first no doubt everyone would say the man was mad or an impostor — but then when [[phenomenon]] on [[phenomenon]] was repeated and repeated, they would have to admit there was something in it, and within three years, you would have all the foremost minds in any civilized country intent upon the question and tens of thousands of anxious enquirers out of whom ten per cent. might prove useful workers, and one in a thousand perhaps develop the necessary qualifications for becoming ultimately an [[adept]]. If you desire to react on the native through the European mind that is the way to work it. Of course, I speak under correction and in ignorance of conditions, possibilities, etc., but
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of your personal interest in [[occultism]] and [[theosophy]]? I do not say it was, I but enquire whether the contingency ever presented itself to your mind." Now of course this was addressed to [[A. P. Sinnett|Sinnett]], but still I wish to answer it in my fashion. First I should say, cui bono throwing out such a hint? You must know whether it was so or not. If it was not, why set us speculating as to whether it may have been, when you know it was not. But if it was so, then I submit, that in the first place an idiotic business like this could be no test of any man's (there are of course lots of human beings who are only a sort of educated monkey) personal interest in anything. '''Would any man, who felt ever the slightest interest in anything, suffer this interest to be affected by the fact that some other person __ __ there with.''' In the second place if the [[Brothers]] did deliberately allow the publication of those letters, I can only say, that from my worldly non-initiated standpoint, I think they made a sad mistake. '''A cause may involve murder & robbery and yet not be wholly descredited but make __  & you may write __. Mind I do not for one moment defend this. It is monstrous that it should be so - but it is unfortunately a fact,''' and the object of the [[Brothers]] being avowedly to make the [[Theosophical Society|T.S.]] respected, they could hardly have selected any worse means, than the publication of these foolish letters. '''I do not of course __ any very __ importance to them - if therebe a real __ breath __ __ the T. S. (& it is this I am __ trying to arrive at), __ _ __ __ __''' but still when the question is broadly put, did you ever consider whether the [[Brothers]] allowed this publication, I cannot avoid replying, if they did not, it is futile wasting consideration on the matter, and if they did, it seems to me that they were unwise in so doing.  
of your personal interest in [[occultism]] and [[theosophy]]? I do not say it was, I but enquire whether the contingency ever presented itself to your mind." Now of course this was addressed to [[A. P. Sinnett|Sinnett]], but still I wish to answer it in my fashion. First I should say, cui bono throwing out such a hint? You must know whether it was so or not. If it was not, why set us speculating as to whether it may have been, when you know it was not. But if it was so, then I submit, that in the first place an idiotic business like this could be no test of any man's (there are of course lots of human beings who are only a sort of educated monkey) personal interest in anything. '''Would any man, who felt ever the slightest interest in anything, suffer this interest to be affected by the fact that some other person __ themselves__in connexion there with.''' In the second place if the [[Brothers]] did deliberately allow the publication of those letters, I can only say, that from my worldly non-initiated standpoint, I think they made a sad mistake. '''A cause may involve murder & robbery and yet not be wholly descredited but make __  & you may write __. Mind I do not for one moment defend this. It is monstrous that it should be so - but it is unfortunately a fact,''' and the object of the [[Brothers]] being avowedly to make the [[Theosophical Society|T.S.]] respected, they could hardly have selected any worse means, than the publication of these foolish letters. '''I do not of course attach any very great  importance to them - if therebe a real vital breath underlying the T. S. (& it is this I am __ trying to arrive at), it will outlive &  __ a hundred such __''' but still when the question is broadly put, did you ever consider whether the [[Brothers]] allowed this publication, I cannot avoid replying, if they did not, it is futile wasting consideration on the matter, and if they did, it seems to me that they were unwise in so doing.  


Then come your remarks about [[H. S. Olcott|Colonel Olcott]]. Dear old [[H. S. Olcott|Olcott]], whom everyone who knows must love. I fully sympathize in all you say
Then come your remarks about [[H. S. Olcott|Colonel Olcott]]. Dear old [[H. S. Olcott|Olcott]], whom everyone who knows must love. I fully sympathize in all you say

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Quick Facts
People involved
Written by: A. O. Hume
Received by: Koot Hoomi/A. P. Sinnett
Sent via: A. P. Sinnett/H. P. Blavatsky
Dates
Written on: November 20, 1880 See below.
Received on: December 1, 1880 See below.
Other dates: none
Places
Sent from: Simla, India
Received at: Allahabad, India, by A. P. Sinnett
Via: none

This is Letter No. 99 in Barker numbering. See below for Context and background.

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Simla. 20-11-80.

My Dear Koot Humi,

I have sent Sinnett your letter to me and he has kindly sent me yours to him — I want to make some remarks on this, not by way of cavil, but because I am so anxious that you should understand me. Very likely it is my conceit, but whether or no I have a deep rooted conviction that I could work effectually if I only saw my way, and I cannot bear the idea of your throwing me over under any misconception of my views. And yet every letter I see of yours, shows me that you do not yet realize what I think and feel.* To explain this I venture to jot down a few comments on your letter to Sinnett.

You say that if Russia does not succeed in taking Tibet, it will be due to you and herein at least you will deserve our gratitude — I do not agree to this in the sense in which you mean it. (1) If I thought that Russia would on the whole govern Tibet or India in such wise as to make the inhabitants on the whole happier than they are under the existing Gov[ernmen]ts, I would myself welcome and work for her advent. But so far as I can judge the Russian Gov[ernmen]t is a corrupt despotism, hostile to individual liberty of action and therefore to real progress and it would only be in common with all well wishers of man kind & not as an Englishman (& indeed I have no nationality) that I should feel grateful to you or any one else who by legitimate means (& what are under different

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sets of circumstances legitimate & illegitimate means may be a matter open to argument) prevented the further extension of a power, which is essentially hostile to the highest interests of humanity. Then about the English-speaking vaquil. Was the man so much to blame? You and yours have never taught him that there was any thing in Yog Vidya. The only people who have taken the trouble to educate him at all have in so doing taught him materialism. You are disgusted with him, but who is to blame? He who having no teaching but a materialistic one, rejects as reasons, the vague rumours that have reached him as to spiritual possibilities, & you (I mean your brotherhood) who knowing all about these have failed to popularize the knowledge have in fact failed to teach him better? I judge perhaps as an outsider, but it does seem to me, that the impenetrable veil of secrecy by which you surround yourselves, the enormous difficulties which you oppose to the communication of your spiritual knowledge, are the main causes of the rampant materialism which you so much deplore. You are the only people who possess any real experimental knowledge of things spiritual in doubtless millions upon millions possess a sort of knowledge of these thro faith, pure life, meditations and in fact the higher discipline of all religions worthy of the name. But this knowledge of theirs tho suffixing to their own souls, is not a character to produce objective results or tangible arguments, that they can appeal to __ others __ less spiritually minded to similar convictions to their own. You alone do possess the means of bringing home to the ordinary run of men, convictions of this nature,

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but you, apparently bound by ancient rules, so far from zealously disseminating this knowledge, envelope it in such a dense cloud of mystery, that naturally the mass of mankind, disbelieve in its existence. had? This veil of secrecy is I submit in __ ___it may have been very necessary in former days when the exhibition of the powers possessed by adepts might have led to prosecutions or persecutions. But now when in the new & highly civilized countries, such exhibitions would entail __ & abuse (both of which the inexorable logic of facts would surely even tho slowly strangle) there can be no justification for not giving clearly to the world the more important features of your philosophy, accompanying the teaching with such a series of demonstrations as should ensure the attention of all sincere minds. That you should hesitate to confer hastily great powers too likely to be abused, I quite understand — but this in no way bars a dogmatic denunciation of the results of your psychical investigations, accompanied by phenomena, sufficiently clear and often repeated to prove that you really did know more of the subjects with which you dealt than Western Science does (2) . . .

Perhaps you will retort "how about Slade's case?" but do not forget that he was taking money for what he did; making a living out of it. Very different would be the position of a man, who came forward to teach gratuitously, manifestly at the sacrifice of his own time, comfort and convenience, what he believed it to be for the good of mankind to know. At first no doubt everyone would say the man was mad or an impostor — but then when phenomenon on phenomenon was repeated and repeated, they would have to admit there was something in it, and within three years, you would have all the foremost minds in any civilized country intent upon the question and tens of thousands of anxious enquirers out of whom ten per cent. might prove useful workers, and one in a thousand perhaps develop the necessary qualifications for becoming ultimately an adept. If you desire to react on the native through the European mind that is the way to work it. Of course, I speak under correction and in ignorance of conditions, possibilities, etc., but

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for this ignorance at any rate I am not to blame. Then you say - "It is not possible that there should be much more at best than a benevolent neutrality shown by your people towards ours. There is so very minute a point of contact between the two civilizations they respectively represent that one might at most say they could not touch at all" Now is this correct? - Is it not in the first place misleading to talk of two civilizations? All civilizations have the same necessary ingredients, mental & moral (or if you prefer it a spiritual) culture. The one element may predominate here, the other there, but in both cases there must be a vast amt in common. Essential to every civilization in any way deserving of the name is the intellectual culture necessary for the discrimination of the good, the true & the beautiful & the moral culture essential to the adherence at all cost to these in preference to their opposites. In the one country there may be less intellectual capacity & a purer devotion to the more dimly perceived truths, in the other it may be more of "Meliora videon proboque, deteriora sequor" but in both the essentials are the same & it appears to me to be a contradiction in terms to talk of two civilizations which may almost be said not to touch at all. Nor is this a mere matter of words for starting with such ideas failure is a certainty, whereas if the vast amt that is common to both be realized & recognized & if we seek to build on this common foundation, an active cooperation in lieu of a benevolent neutrality becomes not only a possibility, but is a thing that may be commanded. (3)

Then I come to the passage. "Has it occurred to you that the two Bombay publications if not influenced may at least have not been prevented by those who might have done so because they saw the necessity for that much agitation to effect the double result of making a needed diversion after the brooch grenade, & perhaps of trying the strength

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  • "Video meliora, proboque, deteriora sequor" is a Latin phrase found in the writings of the Roman poet known as Ovid, meaning "I see better things, and approve, but I follow worse."

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of your personal interest in occultism and theosophy? I do not say it was, I but enquire whether the contingency ever presented itself to your mind." Now of course this was addressed to Sinnett, but still I wish to answer it in my fashion. First I should say, cui bono throwing out such a hint? You must know whether it was so or not. If it was not, why set us speculating as to whether it may have been, when you know it was not. But if it was so, then I submit, that in the first place an idiotic business like this could be no test of any man's (there are of course lots of human beings who are only a sort of educated monkey) personal interest in anything. Would any man, who felt ever the slightest interest in anything, suffer this interest to be affected by the fact that some other person __ themselves__in connexion there with. In the second place if the Brothers did deliberately allow the publication of those letters, I can only say, that from my worldly non-initiated standpoint, I think they made a sad mistake. A cause may involve murder & robbery and yet not be wholly descredited but make __ & you may write __. Mind I do not for one moment defend this. It is monstrous that it should be so - but it is unfortunately a fact, and the object of the Brothers being avowedly to make the T.S. respected, they could hardly have selected any worse means, than the publication of these foolish letters. I do not of course attach any very great importance to them - if therebe a real vital breath underlying the T. S. (& it is this I am __ trying to arrive at), it will outlive & __ a hundred such __ but still when the question is broadly put, did you ever consider whether the Brothers allowed this publication, I cannot avoid replying, if they did not, it is futile wasting consideration on the matter, and if they did, it seems to me that they were unwise in so doing.

Then come your remarks about Colonel Olcott. Dear old Olcott, whom everyone who knows must love. I fully sympathize in all you say

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in his favour — but I cannot but take exception to the terms in which you praise him, the whole burthen of which is that he never questions but always obeys. This is the Jesuit organization over again — and this renunciation of private judgment, this abnegation of one's own personal responsibility, this accepting the dictates of outside voices as a substitute for one's own conscience, is to my mind a sin of no ordinary magnitude. . . . Nay further I feel bound to say that if this doctrine of blind obedience is an essential one in your system, I greatly doubt whether any spiritual light it may confer can compensate mankind for the loss of that private freedom of action, that sense of personal, individual responsibility of which it would deprive them. . . .

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. . . But if it be intended that I shall ever, get instructions to do this or that and without understanding the why or the wherefore, without scrutinizing consequences, blind and heedless, straightway go and do it, — then frankly the matter for me is at an end — I am no military machine — I am an avowed enemy of the military organization — friend and advocate of the industrial or co-operative system, and I will join no Society or no Body which purports to limit or control my right of private judgment. Of course I am not doctrinaire!,? and do not desire to ride any principle as a hobby horse. . . .

To return to Olcott — I do not think his connection with the proposed Society would be any evil. . . .

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In the first place I should not object in any way to dear old Olcott's supervision, because I know it would be nominal, as even if he tried to make it otherwise, Sinnett and I are both quite capable of shutting him up if he interfered needlessly. But neither of us could accept him as our real guide (6), because we both know that we are intellectually his superiors. This is a brutal way, as the French would say, of putting it, but que voulez vous?. Without perfect frankness there is no coming to an understanding. . . .

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it marvellous that things should be done which can not be accounted for by any laws known to Western science. I, as I have explained in former letters do not - perhaps I realize more acutely the vastness of our ignorance. I do not care two straws for the powers or the phenomena, except as means. I do not see the slightest prospect of any good coming of the Society, unless it is to be a real & certain stepping stone to higher spiritual knowledge. He does - each man must judge for himself - he I know will wholly disagree with me on many points - but this letter I send thro' him & he will speak for himself.
 I am almost sorry that I have wearied you with these long letters for I seem to feel, that I am too essentially a radical at heart, to be acceptable to your naturally conservative order - but you will forgive me in that I am in earnest & tho' nothing further ever come of our interchange of thoughts, think kindly of me as I always shall of you as being fellow workers in the same cause, albeit under different flags, & you an officer of engineers & I a mere day laborer.

Yours sincerely,

A. O. Hume.

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Context and background

Physical description of letter

The original is in the British Library, Folio 3. According to George Linton and Virginia Hanson,

ML-99 is a letter from AOH to KH, forwarded to APS by KH with his comments thereon (ML-98). AOH's letter is in black ink on folded paper.[1]

Publication history

Commentary about this letter

Notes

  1. ↑ George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 47.


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