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''' | This is '''Letter No. 61''' in''' [[The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (book)|''The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett'']], 4th chronological edition'''. It corresponds to '''Letter No. 17''' in '''Barker numbering.''' It is continued in [[Mahatma Letter No. 62|Letters No. 62]] and [[Mahatma Letter No. 63|63]].See below for [[Mahatma Letter No. 61#Context and background|Context and background]]. | ||
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(1) Some [[Round#Fifth Round|fifth round]] men have already begun to appear on [[Globe#Globe D|earth]]. In what way are they distinguishable from [[Round#Fourth Round|fourth round]] men of the seventh earthly incarnation? I suppose they are in the first incarnation of the fifth round | (1) Some [[Round#Fifth Round|fifth round]] men have already begun to appear on [[Globe#Globe D|earth]]. In what way are they distinguishable from [[Round#Fourth Round|fourth round]] men of the seventh earthly incarnation? I suppose they are in the first incarnation of the fifth round and that a tremendous advance will be achieved when the fifth round people get to their seventh incarnation. | ||
(1) The natural-born Seers and clairvoyants of [[Anna Bonus Kingsford|Mrs. A. Kingsford]]'s and [[Edward Maitland|Mr. Maitland]]'s types; the great adepts of whatsoever country; the geniuses — whether in arts, politics or religious reform. No great physical distinction yet: too early and will come later on. | '''(1) The natural-born Seers and clairvoyants of [[Anna Bonus Kingsford|Mrs. A. Kingsford]]'s and [[Edward Maitland|Mr. Maitland]]'s types; the great adepts of whatsoever country; the geniuses — whether in arts, politics or religious reform. No great physical distinction yet: too early and will come later on.''' | ||
Quite so. If you turn to Appendix No. I | '''Quite so. If you turn to [[Mahatma Letter No. 62#Page 1 transcription, image, and notes|Appendix No. I]] you will find it explained.''' | ||
(2) But if a 1st-5th round man devoted himself to [[occultism]] and became an [[adept]], would he escape further earthly incarnations? | (2) But if a 1st-5th round man devoted himself to [[occultism]] and became an [[adept]], would he escape further earthly incarnations? | ||
(2) No; if we except [[Gautama Buddha|Buddha]] — a [[Round#Sixth Round|sixth round]] being, as he had run so successfully the race in his previous [[reincarnation|incarnations]] as to outrun even his predecessors. But then such a man is to be found in a billion of human creatures. He differed from other men as much in [[Gautama Buddha#Physical characteristics|his physical appearance]] as in spirituality and knowledge. Yet even he escaped further reincarnations but on this earth; and, when the last of the sixth round men | '''(2) No; if we except [[Gautama Buddha|Buddha]] — a [[Round#Sixth Round|sixth round]] being, as he had run so successfully the race in his previous [[reincarnation|incarnations]] as to outrun even his predecessors. But then such a man is to be found one in a billion of human creatures. He differed from other men as much in [[Gautama Buddha#Physical characteristics|his physical appearance]] as in spirituality and knowledge. Yet even he escaped further reincarnations but on this earth; and, when the last of the sixth round men | ||
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of the third ring is gone out of this [[Globe#Globe D|earth]], the [[Gautama Buddha|Great Teacher]] will have to get reincarnated on the next planet. Only, and since He sacrificed [[Nirvāṇa|Nirvanic]] bliss and Rest for the salvation of his fellow creatures He will be [[Reincarnation|re-born]] in the highest — the seventh ring of the upper planet. Till then He will overshadow every decimillenium (let us rather say and add "has overshadowed already" a chosen individual who generally overturned the destinies of nations. See [[Isis Unveiled (book)|Isis]], Vol. I, pp. 34 and 35 last and first para. on the pages). | '''of the third ring is gone out of this [[Globe#Globe D|earth]], the [[Gautama Buddha|Great Teacher]] will have to get reincarnated on the next planet. Only, and since He sacrificed [[Nirvāṇa|Nirvanic]] bliss and Rest for the salvation of his fellow creatures He will be [[Reincarnation|re-born]] in the highest — the seventh ring of the upper planet. Till then He will overshadow every decimillenium (let us rather say and add "has overshadowed already" a chosen individual who generally overturned the destinies of nations. See [[Isis Unveiled (book)|Isis]], Vol. I, pp. 34 and 35 last and first para. on the pages).''' | ||
(3) Is there any essential spiritual difference between a man and a woman, or is sex a mere accident of each birth — the ultimate future of the individual furnishing the same opportunities? | (3) Is there any essential spiritual difference between a man and a woman, or is sex a mere accident of each birth — the ultimate future of the individual furnishing the same opportunities? | ||
(3) A mere accident — as you say. Generally a chance work yet guided by individual [[Karma]], — moral aptitudes, characteristics and deeds of a previous birth. | '''(3) A mere accident — as you say. Generally a chance work yet guided by individual [[Karma]], — moral aptitudes, characteristics and deeds of a previous birth.''' | ||
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(4) The majority of the superior classes of civilized countries on | (4) The majority of the superior classes of civilized countries on Earth now, I understand to be seventh "ring" people (i.e. of the seventh earthly incarnation) of the [[Round#Fourth Round|fourth round]]. The Australian aborigines I understand to be of a low ring? which? and are the lower and inferior classes of civilized countries of various rings or of the ring just below the seventh. And are all seventh ring people born in the superior classes or may not some be found among the poor? | ||
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(4) Not necessarily. Refinement, polishedness, and brilliant education, in your sense of these words have very little to do with the course of higher Nature's Law. Take a seventh ring African or a fifth ring Mongolian and you can educate him — if taken from the cradle — save his physical appearance, and transform him into the most brilliant and accomplished English lord. Yet, he will still remain, but an outwardly intellectual parrot. (See Appendix No. | '''(4) Not necessarily. Refinement, polishedness, and brilliant education, in your sense of these words have very little to do with the course of higher Nature's Law. Take a seventh ring African or a fifth ring Mongolian and you can educate him — if taken from the cradle — save his physical appearance, and transform him into the most brilliant and accomplished English lord. Yet, he will still remain, but an outwardly intellectual parrot. (See [[Mahatma Letter No. 62#Page 4|Appendix No. II)]].''' | ||
(5) The Old Lady told me that the bulk of the inhabitants of this country are in some respects less advanced than Europeans though more spiritual. Are they on a lower ring of the same round — or does the difference refer to some principle of national cycles which has nothing to do with individual progress? | (5) The [[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky|Old Lady]] told me that the bulk of the inhabitants of this country are in some respects less advanced than Europeans though more spiritual. Are they on a lower ring of the same [[round]] — or does the difference refer to some principle of [[Law of Cycles#Racial and national cycles|national cycles]] which has nothing to do with individual progress? | ||
'''(5) Most of the peoples of India belong to the oldest or the earliest [[Root-Race#Sub-races|branchlet]] of the [[Root-Race#Fifth Root-Race|fifth human Race]]. I have desired''' | |||
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M. to end his letter to you with a short summary of the last scientific theory of your learned Ethnographers and Naturalists, to save myself work. Read what he writes and then turn to No. III of my Appendix. | '''[[Morya|M.]] to end his letter to you with a short summary of the last scientific theory of your learned Ethnographers and Naturalists, to save myself work. Read what he writes and then turn to [[Mahatma Letter No. 62#Page 6|No. III]] of my Appendix.''' | ||
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* | * '''His letter to you with a short summary...''' [[Daniel Caldwell]] proposes that the letter by Master M. referred to here, is [[Mahatma Letter No. 46]], which was misdated in the chronological edition. For the summary in question, go to [[Mahatma Letter No. 46#Page6|Page 6]] ''et seq''. | ||
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What is the explanation of "Ernest" and Eglinton's other guide? Are they elementaries drawing their conscious vitality from him or | What is the explanation of [[William Eglinton#Ernest|"Ernest"]] and [[William Eglinton|Eglinton]]'s other [[Mediumship#Spirit guides|guide]]? Are they [[Elementary|elementaries]] drawing their conscious vitality from him or [[elemental]]s masquerading? When "Ernest" took that sheet of [[The Pioneer (periodical)|"Pioneer"]] notepaper how did he contrive to get it without [[mediumship]] at this end? | ||
I can assure you it is not worth your while now to study the true natures of the "Ernests" and "Joeys" and " | '''I can assure you it is not worth your while now to study the true natures of the "Ernests" and "Joeys" and other "guides" as unless you become acquainted with the evolution of the corruptions of elemental dross, and those of the [[Principle#Seven principles in human beings|seven principles in man]] — you would ever find yourself at a loss to understand — what they really are; there are no written statutes for them, and they can hardly be expected to pay their friends and admirers the compliment of truth, silence or forbearing. If''' | ||
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some are related to them as some soulless physical mediums are — they shall meet. If not — better leave them alone. They gravitate but to their likes — the mediums; and their relation is not made but forced by foolish and sinful phenomena-mongers. They are both elementaries and | '''some are related to them as some soulless physical [[Mediumship|mediums]] are — they shall meet. If not — better leave them alone. They gravitate but to their likes — the mediums; and their relation is not made but forced by foolish and sinful [[phenomena]]-mongers. They are both [[Elementary|elementaries]] and [[elemental]]s — at best a low, mischievous, degrading jangle. You want to embrace too much knowledge at once, my dear friend; you cannot attain at a bound all the mysteries. See however Appendix <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Mahatma_Letter_No._62#Page 8|No. IV]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> — which is in reality a letter.''' | ||
I do not know Subba Rao — who is a pupil of M. At least — he knows very little of me. Yet I know, he will never consent to come to Simla. But if ordered by Morya will teach from Madras, i.e., correct the MSS. as M. did, comment upon them, answer questions, and be very, very useful. He has a perfect reverence and adoration for — H.P.B. | '''I do not know [[T. Subba Row|Subba Rao]] — who is a [[Chela|pupil]] of [[Morya|M.]] At least — he knows very little of me. Yet I know, he will never consent to come to Simla. But if ordered by Morya will teach from Madras, i.e., correct the MSS. as M. did, comment upon them, answer questions, and be very, very useful. He has a perfect reverence and adoration for — [[Helena Petrovna Blavatsky|H.P.B.]] | ||
K. H. | [[Koot Hoomi|K. H.]]''' | ||
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'''NOTES:''' | '''NOTES:''' | ||
* | * '''[No. IV]''' is not in the original letter. I was added by the wiki editors to facilitate the reading of the Appendix. | ||
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== Context and background == | == Context and background == | ||
The next three letters should be considered together. Letter No. 61 is a Question & Answer letter; No. 62 is called “Appendix” and contains some additional comments by the Mahatma to his answers in the form of “Appendix” No. I, II, and III (and a fourth unnumbered one). Letter No. 63 is actually not a separate letter but a continuation of No. 62, which became separated and misplaced in Sinnett's collection. | |||
These letters constitute a resumption of the technical teachings. It will be remembered that there was no clear definition of terms at this time, which may possibly lead to some confusion in trying to understand. | |||
[[Mahatma Letter No. 46]] has been misdated in the chronological edition. We recommend that ML46 is read in connection to this group of letters. See the note on [[Mahatma_Letter_No._61#Page_5|Page 5]] in the present letter. | |||
== Physical description of letter == | == Physical description of letter == | ||
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Written by: | A. P. Sinnett/Koot Hoomi |
Received by: | Koot Hoomi/A. P. Sinnett |
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Received on: | June 1882 |
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Received at: | Simla, India |
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This is Letter No. 61 in The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett, 4th chronological edition. It corresponds to Letter No. 17 in Barker numbering. It is continued in Letters No. 62 and 63.See below for Context and background.
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Page 1 transcription, image, and notes
Received Simla, June, 1882 (1) Some fifth round men have already begun to appear on earth. In what way are they distinguishable from fourth round men of the seventh earthly incarnation? I suppose they are in the first incarnation of the fifth round and that a tremendous advance will be achieved when the fifth round people get to their seventh incarnation. (1) The natural-born Seers and clairvoyants of Mrs. A. Kingsford's and Mr. Maitland's types; the great adepts of whatsoever country; the geniuses — whether in arts, politics or religious reform. No great physical distinction yet: too early and will come later on. Quite so. If you turn to Appendix No. I you will find it explained. (2) But if a 1st-5th round man devoted himself to occultism and became an adept, would he escape further earthly incarnations? (2) No; if we except Buddha — a sixth round being, as he had run so successfully the race in his previous incarnations as to outrun even his predecessors. But then such a man is to be found one in a billion of human creatures. He differed from other men as much in his physical appearance as in spirituality and knowledge. Yet even he escaped further reincarnations but on this earth; and, when the last of the sixth round men |
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of the third ring is gone out of this earth, the Great Teacher will have to get reincarnated on the next planet. Only, and since He sacrificed Nirvanic bliss and Rest for the salvation of his fellow creatures He will be re-born in the highest — the seventh ring of the upper planet. Till then He will overshadow every decimillenium (let us rather say and add "has overshadowed already" a chosen individual who generally overturned the destinies of nations. See Isis, Vol. I, pp. 34 and 35 last and first para. on the pages). (3) Is there any essential spiritual difference between a man and a woman, or is sex a mere accident of each birth — the ultimate future of the individual furnishing the same opportunities? (3) A mere accident — as you say. Generally a chance work yet guided by individual Karma, — moral aptitudes, characteristics and deeds of a previous birth. |
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(4) The majority of the superior classes of civilized countries on Earth now, I understand to be seventh "ring" people (i.e. of the seventh earthly incarnation) of the fourth round. The Australian aborigines I understand to be of a low ring? which? and are the lower and inferior classes of civilized countries of various rings or of the ring just below the seventh. And are all seventh ring people born in the superior classes or may not some be found among the poor? |
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(4) Not necessarily. Refinement, polishedness, and brilliant education, in your sense of these words have very little to do with the course of higher Nature's Law. Take a seventh ring African or a fifth ring Mongolian and you can educate him — if taken from the cradle — save his physical appearance, and transform him into the most brilliant and accomplished English lord. Yet, he will still remain, but an outwardly intellectual parrot. (See Appendix No. II). (5) The Old Lady told me that the bulk of the inhabitants of this country are in some respects less advanced than Europeans though more spiritual. Are they on a lower ring of the same round — or does the difference refer to some principle of national cycles which has nothing to do with individual progress? (5) Most of the peoples of India belong to the oldest or the earliest branchlet of the fifth human Race. I have desired |
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M. to end his letter to you with a short summary of the last scientific theory of your learned Ethnographers and Naturalists, to save myself work. Read what he writes and then turn to No. III of my Appendix. |
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What is the explanation of "Ernest" and Eglinton's other guide? Are they elementaries drawing their conscious vitality from him or elementals masquerading? When "Ernest" took that sheet of "Pioneer" notepaper how did he contrive to get it without mediumship at this end? I can assure you it is not worth your while now to study the true natures of the "Ernests" and "Joeys" and other "guides" as unless you become acquainted with the evolution of the corruptions of elemental dross, and those of the seven principles in man — you would ever find yourself at a loss to understand — what they really are; there are no written statutes for them, and they can hardly be expected to pay their friends and admirers the compliment of truth, silence or forbearing. If |
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some are related to them as some soulless physical mediums are — they shall meet. If not — better leave them alone. They gravitate but to their likes — the mediums; and their relation is not made but forced by foolish and sinful phenomena-mongers. They are both elementaries and elementals — at best a low, mischievous, degrading jangle. You want to embrace too much knowledge at once, my dear friend; you cannot attain at a bound all the mysteries. See however Appendix [No. IV] — which is in reality a letter. I do not know Subba Rao — who is a pupil of M. At least — he knows very little of me. Yet I know, he will never consent to come to Simla. But if ordered by Morya will teach from Madras, i.e., correct the MSS. as M. did, comment upon them, answer questions, and be very, very useful. He has a perfect reverence and adoration for — H.P.B. |
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Context and background
The next three letters should be considered together. Letter No. 61 is a Question & Answer letter; No. 62 is called “Appendix” and contains some additional comments by the Mahatma to his answers in the form of “Appendix” No. I, II, and III (and a fourth unnumbered one). Letter No. 63 is actually not a separate letter but a continuation of No. 62, which became separated and misplaced in Sinnett's collection.
These letters constitute a resumption of the technical teachings. It will be remembered that there was no clear definition of terms at this time, which may possibly lead to some confusion in trying to understand.
Mahatma Letter No. 46 has been misdated in the chronological edition. We recommend that ML46 is read in connection to this group of letters. See the note on Page 5 in the present letter.
Physical description of letter
The original is in the British Library, Folio 1. According to George Linton and Virginia Hanson,
A question and answer letter. Questions by APS are written on the left side of sheets of his note paper. Answers by KH are on the right half of the sheets, or on the back, in dull red ink with heavy lettering. Reference numbers to APS's questions have been added in square brackets.[1]
Publication history
Commentary about this letter
Notes
- ↑ George E. Linton and Virginia Hanson, eds., Readers Guide to The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett (Adyar, Chennai, India: Theosophical Publishing House, 1972), 112-113.